Keep permanent stream of consciousness

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Keep permanent stream of consciousness

Postby Nosta » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:16 am

Can it be possible to keep a permanent stream of consciousness even while sleeping?

For example, to a buddhist monk doing Vipassana, the best thing would be to get mindfull ALL the day. Can be that possible?

It is said that Buddha didnt really sleep, for instance.
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Re: Keep permanent stream of consciousness

Postby gad rgyangs » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:09 am

In Tantric Buddhism, such as Dzogchen, it is held that through meditation practice one gets to a stage where one can remain awake & aware in one's mental body while the physical body is asleep. This allows for continuing practice and experience in other dimensions during the night. A similar practice and result is recounted in various Western esoteric traditions, such as Anthroposophy. Lucid dreaming would be just a beginning glimpse of the possibilities here.
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Re: Keep permanent stream of consciousness

Postby Anders » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:28 am

Nosta wrote:Can it be possible to keep a permanent stream of consciousness even while sleeping?

For example, to a buddhist monk doing Vipassana, the best thing would be to get mindfull ALL the day. Can be that possible?

It is said that Buddha didnt really sleep, for instance.


Doesn't necessarily need speacial dream yogas or the like, though these can perhaps also be useful. If you mindfulness is sufficiently stable when you go to sleep, it will keep going into sleep.
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I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

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Re: Keep permanent stream of consciousness

Postby Indrajala » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:39 am

Nosta wrote:Can it be possible to keep a permanent stream of consciousness even while sleeping?

For example, to a buddhist monk doing Vipassana, the best thing would be to get mindfull ALL the day. Can be that possible?

It is said that Buddha didnt really sleep, for instance.


It is possible to remain aware while being asleep. This tends to happen during meditation retreats where you're engaged in full-time meditation. Though when you go back to ordinary life it wears off.
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Re: Keep permanent stream of consciousness

Postby Nosta » Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:43 pm

Falling asleep, waking up, may be good ways to taste (again) how rebirth and death.
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Re: Keep permanent stream of consciousness

Postby kirtu » Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:53 pm

Nosta wrote:Falling asleep, waking up, may be good ways to taste (again) how rebirth and death.


Exactly. But as the other mentioned one can keep mindfulness throughout the day and during sleep. Of course this is not the same as something permanent.

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Re: Keep permanent stream of consciousness

Postby Dechen Norbu » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:58 pm

Huseng wrote:
Nosta wrote:Can it be possible to keep a permanent stream of consciousness even while sleeping?

For example, to a buddhist monk doing Vipassana, the best thing would be to get mindfull ALL the day. Can be that possible?

It is said that Buddha didnt really sleep, for instance.


It is possible to remain aware while being asleep. This tends to happen during meditation retreats where you're engaged in full-time meditation. Though when you go back to ordinary life it wears off.

In Dzogchen, and I can speak according to my understanding of hows ChNN teaches it, this can be solved when after the recognition of instant presence (not mere awareness) one gradually trains to integrate every action into practice, meaning one never abandons that state not mattering what one is doing. This aspect of the practice is one of the things that was most compelling in my decision to learn Dzogchen, exactly because the effects of intensive practice done while in retreat tend to wear off when one re engages in everyday activities. I think this point is very important for those who can't spend some years practicing in retreat conditions.
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Re: Keep permanent stream of consciousness

Postby Nosta » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:18 pm

Thanks!

I think i will learn more about Dzogchen.
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Re: Keep permanent stream of consciousness

Postby Mr. G » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:21 pm

Nosta wrote:Thanks!

I think i will learn more about Dzogchen.


If you choose to learn more, definitely read "The Crystal and the Way of Light" by Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
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    grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
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Re: Keep permanent stream of consciousness

Postby Nosta » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:50 pm

Thanks for that advice :)

I will try to find that book.
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