"taking someone else's negative karma"

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"taking someone else's negative karma"

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

Postby Pero » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:19 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

Postby heart » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:23 am

Compassion and kindness based on an understanding of our condition is always beneficial for everyone involved. There is no reason to doubt that.

/magnus
"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

Postby Dharmaswede » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:10 am

Good post Wisdom. Karma is a tricky issue.

It would be falling into an extreme to think that we cannot help other sentient beings with their negative, ripened karma, be it as a doctor, psychologist, chödpa, fellow human being or what have you. Karma can be conceived of as a continuum ranging from potential seeds, to ripened/manifested effects, similar to the range of "cause" and "effects".
There is also as an interplay between "individual" and "external" factors (I put those words in quotation marks because they are conceptually imputed) including the re/acting of others. Thus, I take it that the subtle levels of karma ("seeds") of another being are not accessible for external healing (for want of a better word), while the more manifest are.

(But I am making things up as I go along and could be very wrong! That being said, I have faith that the wise guys on this forum will set me straight if I am spreading too much delusion.)

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:45 pm

Perhaps what is going on is that only the effect (vipaka) of actions can be mitigated or removed by another, but since the person being helped has done nothing to remove or lessen the cause(s) himself, then in future (this lifetime or another) that effect will precipitate again.
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

Postby Malcolm » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:28 pm

Misdeeds cannot be washed away with water,
the suffering of living beings cannot be removed with the hand,
my realization cannot transferred to another,
but by showing the true nature of things, there will be liberation.




འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

Postby mañjughoṣamaṇi » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:37 pm

If ones accepts the idea that Buddha's are able to remove negative karma and suffering directly one is left with needing to formulate a Buddhist response to the "Problem of Evil".


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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

Postby alexa42 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:48 pm

I think that the great yogis may be able to mitigate the ripening effect of the person's karma... thus allowing the person to engage in purification. I'm not sure how that would relate to the yogi then dying... this would have to relate to his own karma??

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

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Re: "taking someone else's negative karma"

Postby Nosta » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:02 pm

When you recite Namo Amituofo (and maybe other mantras too) it is said that you are rippening away your bad karma. Not making it to disapear, but like throwing it far away from you.


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