YOU CANNOT POST. OUR WEB HOSTING COMPANY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SERVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN VIEW THIS VERSION WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW POSTING AND WILL NOT SAVE ANYTHING YOU DO ONCE THE OTHER SERVER GOES ONLINE.

We know only consciousness? - Dhamma Wheel

We know only consciousness?

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
User avatar
Alex123
Posts: 3476
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:32 pm

We know only consciousness?

Postby Alex123 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:31 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

rowyourboat
Posts: 1952
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:29 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:24 pm

The answer to both your questions is 'Yes', but with much practice. It is a perceptive (mind the pun) question you have asked. All of what has been described by the Buddha can be experienced, otherwise he wouldn't have asked his disciples to see them. However from that you might infer that we are 'conscious' of rupa before the corresponding 'consciousness' arises. So then it becomes a little clearer that the Buddhist 'vinnana' is somewhat different from the English concept of 'consciousness', experientially.

However through our unpracticed underdeveloped (putajjana) faculties we are only conscious of mental elements from contact (phassa) onwards, ie what we think of as the world is mental creation with it's roots in the material (arising from cause and effect).

Hope that wasn't too confusing.

with metta

RYB
With Metta

Karuna
Mudita
& Upekkha

Sunrise
Posts: 199
Joined: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:26 pm

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby Sunrise » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:04 pm


Sunrise
Posts: 199
Joined: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:26 pm

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby Sunrise » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:09 pm


User avatar
acinteyyo
Posts: 1684
Joined: Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:48 am
Location: Bavaria / Germany

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby acinteyyo » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:51 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

rowyourboat
Posts: 1952
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:29 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:54 pm

With Metta

Karuna
Mudita
& Upekkha

curiousgeorge
Posts: 24
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:16 am

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby curiousgeorge » Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:44 pm


Sunrise
Posts: 199
Joined: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:26 pm

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby Sunrise » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:05 pm


curiousgeorge
Posts: 24
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:16 am

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby curiousgeorge » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:15 am

whats to prevent eye conscious from being a synonym to 'disturbance of mind', or the latter from being the immediate precursor to the former?

Sunrise
Posts: 199
Joined: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:26 pm

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby Sunrise » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:00 pm


curiousgeorge
Posts: 24
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:16 am

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby curiousgeorge » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:03 pm


rowyourboat
Posts: 1952
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:29 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:38 pm

the arising of the eye+visual object is sub/pre-conscious, but not unconscious.
The arising of Vinnana itself is also sub/pre conscious but less so
Phassa/contact is quite conscious
subsequent elements becomes more intense experiences therefore we are more conscious of them

Hope that is less confusing :)

with metta

RYB
With Metta

Karuna
Mudita
& Upekkha

Sunrise
Posts: 199
Joined: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:26 pm

Re: We know only consciousness?

Postby Sunrise » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:24 pm



Return to “General Theravāda discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 25 guests

Google Saffron, Theravada Search Engine