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Some ideas about Dhamma starting to change

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Re: Some ideas about Dhamma starting to change

Postby dhamma follower » Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:39 am

Hi guys,

Have you read this:

http://www.mahasi.org.mm/discourse/E24/E24cont.htm

It's about criticisms of Mahasi Sayadaw's method by Kheminda Thera and the replies from Mahasi's disciple.

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Re: Some ideas about Dhamma starting to change

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:51 am

Thanks DhammaFollower,

Yes, it's a fascinating exchange.

It has been a while since I read the whole thing, but I believe that the key point of dispute has to do with whether "momentary concentration" is sufficient for insight.

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Re: Some ideas about Dhamma starting to change

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Re: Some ideas about Dhamma starting to change

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Re: Some ideas about Dhamma starting to change

Postby Parth » Mon May 16, 2011 7:15 pm

Dear Virgo,

It would really help you if your come out of your delusion of being a sotapanna. Being a Sotapanna means having been there and done that, it is realised at the very culmination of Vipassana practise after a series of nanas. To debunk teachers such as Mahasi Sayadaw/ Sayaji U Ba Khin / Goenkaji is sad. These are people who devoted their life to Vipassana and dhamma and need to be thanked with all the metta one has for having spread the dhamma so far and wide in last 50 years or so.

As a sotapanna a person is supposed to be part of teachings themselves and should know that what matters most is mindfulness - establishment of awareness - satipatthana along with samadhi and sila. While you seem to be repudiating real wisdom as well as importance of samadhi.

As far as presence of ariyas in the teachings is concerned you have several :
1. anagam Saya Thet gyi (1873 -1945) - supposed to be an anagami and devoted his entire life in spreading Vipassana in Burma - he was teacher of Sayaji U BA Khin
2. Dr. Om Prakash - http://www.vridhamma.org/en1998-11
3. Angarika Sri Munindra (1915-2003)
4. Dipa Ma (1911-1989) Supposed to be an anagami with siddhis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipa_Ma

These are just some of the names, am sure that there are several others who have not disclosed their attainments.

Today in Indian alone in several prisons Vipassana (in the tradition of Sayaji U Ba Khin/ Goenkaji) is being taught and similar results are happening. There are cases where after practising vipassana hard core criminals have confessed their crimes and have even gone and tried to help the victims familes. Please understand these things dont happen with superficial wisdom but real change of heart which vipassana at its core leads to.

One who has not realised this has not developed the 'eye of dhamma' and by corollary is not a sotapanna.

Metta

Parth

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Re: Some ideas about Dhamma starting to change

Postby Parth » Tue May 17, 2011 2:38 am

Dear Virgo,

Tilt stated that you've claimed "Sakjadagami status" in which case have you recollected past life memories on your own, becuase as per my understanding, along with realisation of nibbana at the sakdagami stage a person also develops recollection of several past lives.

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Re: Some ideas about Dhamma starting to change

Postby Kenshou » Tue May 17, 2011 3:03 am

Eh? Who says that, I wonder?

Not that claiming such things isn't problematic regardless.

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Re: Some ideas about Dhamma starting to change

Postby Virgo » Tue May 17, 2011 3:06 am

These topics are rather off topic Tilt. I am happy to answer peoples questions through PM. Thought you might tell people who post such things on a thread that has nothing to do with this topic to remain on topic. Instead you join in. Why? If you don't like the fact that I am an Ariya, or don't believe it; fine. You have already broadcasted and related your feelings about it a number of times. You love to dig your heels in here though. If anyone wants to talk to me about it, PM me. Otherwise let's keep this thread on topic. I haven't said a thing about this in quite a while because just don't believe it's possible (which makes we wonder why they practice at all if it is not..)

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Re: Some ideas about Dhamma starting to change

Postby retrofuturist » Tue May 17, 2011 3:25 am

Greetings Kevin,

Since this topic is about what you believe... (i.e. count the number of times you write "I believe" in the OP)... discussion of your ariyan claims seems inseparable from that, given the division between belief and knowledge. If you believe that is inappropriate, please ask a moderator to close your topic.

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