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The Danger of Rebirth

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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What kind of "ultimate things" are dhammas? Piatigorsky, in his studies of the Theravadin Abhidhamma Pitaka texts (THE BUDDHIST PHILOSOPHY OF THOUGHT 1984, 181) points out dharmas are not substances; they are not 'things' in and of themselves:

We simpy cannot say that 'a dharma is... (a predicate follows)', because a dharma, in fact, 'is' no thing, yet [it is] a term denoting (not being) a certain relation or type of relation to thought, consciousness or mind. That is, dharma is not a concept in the accepted terminological sense of the latter, but a purely relational notion.

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"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Postby mountain » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:02 pm

Dear clw,
I am not concerned where this discussion will end. However I am most concerned about what teaching will be best for you as a wayfarer. With the mention of Nagarjuna a door was opened. May I humbly suggest that your latencies would be best served in that school of Tantrayana known as Sahajayana. This concerns the realization of the interwovedness of samsara and nirvana. This is acheived as the Yogin abandons vain thinking which is the cause of multiplicity.
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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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- Peter


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Im in work at the moment so im just going to answer the shortest post, the rest i will answer when i get home

Mike

I suppose you could say that, a realisation only takes a moment

In that discussion i realised my error and how everytime i tried to defend rebirth it was just a self trying to defend a sense of self

After that discussion it lead me to my insights and understandings that I have now

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Postby clw_uk » Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:37 pm

I had a epiphany last night reguarding the mundane view and supermundane

Mundane view is good and needed but is tainted with ignorance, sensual desire and becoming

One works to remove the Taints themselves, so ignorance sensual-desire and becoming

This then naturally transforms the mundane into the supermundane view

Once this happens one sees the mundane view in its correct light

Perhaps the people I mentioned in the past are still held back by the taints themselves (which included myself in reguards to rebirth view) but i interpreted it as the view itself


How does this sound?
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"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332


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