The objects of attachment

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The objects of attachment

Postby Virgo » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:15 am

There is nothing worthwhile in worldly life. I used to have this attitude quite well, but then mara got me once again.

I thought this worldly girl was important, and then she broke my heart. Now I literally have chest pains, angina. I probably have heart disease after all the shit I have been through. My life has been too tough, too much Bullshit. Even since youth, things were too serious and too many intense situations and people were around me.

It was all a blessing because it helped me turn to Dharma. But then I get caught up with this worldly girl situation and everything goes to shit once again. What was I thinking? There is not an ounce of happiness in samsara, especially in "love". Love just gives you angina. Wisdom and realization is what counts. To hell with samsara, status, love simply for this life, and all living for this life and this life alone. I could lose my life at any moment, why should I care about this life?

To hell with the deceptive things of this life.

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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby Mr. G » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:24 am

Find a partner that is just as involved in Dharma as you? :shrug:
    How foolish you are,
    grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby AdmiralJim » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:28 am

You should care about this life because your actions in it will bear future results, including the chance for happiness
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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby Virgo » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:58 am

Mr. G wrote:Find a partner that is just as involved in Dharma as you? :shrug:

Oh I don't care Mr. G. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't. That is how I feel at this point. You cannot control anything in life any way, and nothing is permanent, so who knows what will happen tomorrow? Even if I find a good relationship with a Dharma practitioner, I will remind myself that it is actually a source of suffering in many ways and that it could end at any time. Thanks for the advice though. :)

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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby Virgo » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:59 am

AdmiralJim wrote:You should care about this life because your actions in it will bear future results, including the chance for happiness

Oh I care about my karma.

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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:45 am

This may be off the mark and not applicable to you, & nevermind my comments if that's the case, but personally I had to realize that there is a big difference between mere depression and "recognizing the inherent flaws of samsara." It's easy to suffer from the former while dressing it up as the latter, and this is not necessarily all that productive in the long run. Depression and difficult life experiences could yield many useful insights. But if it all just leads to a life of hopelessness and gloom and expecting good things to show their impermanence "any time now because that's just how samsara works" in some cynical or pessimistic way, and to just biding one's time until enlightenment or looking forward to enlightenment in the bardo or Dewachen, then that's not so useful...

Again, pardon if this is not your experience, but I felt it was worth it to speak on the subject in case it strikes a nerve with anyone.
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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby Virgo » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:01 am

Pema Rigdzin wrote:Again, pardon if this is not your experience, but I felt it was worth it to speak on the subject in case it strikes a nerve with anyone.

It is not. But thank you.

My experience was more of becoming too focused on the things of samsara, putting too much weight in them. Why? when you can't control them and they are just suffering.

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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby dakini_boi » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:38 am

Amen

Thank you for sharing this, Kevin. I wish you immediate emotional ease and joyful relief, and swift realization of ultimate compassion!!! :consoling:
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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby Virgo » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:53 am

Thanks dakini_boi,

I appreciate it.

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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby Tilopa » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:38 am

Virgo wrote:There is nothing worthwhile in worldly life.

You should be really happy because now you have a deeper insight into the 1st Noble Truth which can be a cause for strong renunciation to develop in your mind. This is a painful but necessary part of the journey - your practice is bearing fruit and you are making progress. :thumbsup:
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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby Konchog1 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:06 am

Virgo wrote:There is nothing worthwhile in worldly life. I used to have this attitude quite well, but then mara got me once again.

I thought this worldly girl was important, and then she broke my heart. Now I literally have chest pains, angina. I probably have heart disease after all the shit I have been through. My life has been too tough, too much Bullshit. Even since youth, things were too serious and too many intense situations and people were around me.

It was all a blessing because it helped me turn to Dharma. But then I get caught up with this worldly girl situation and everything goes to shit once again. What was I thinking? There is not an ounce of happiness in samsara, especially in "love". Love just gives you angina. Wisdom and realization is what counts. To hell with samsara, status, love simply for this life, and all living for this life and this life alone. I could lose my life at any moment, why should I care about this life?

To hell with the deceptive things of this life.

Kevin
What a wonderful spiritual friend. :namaste:

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-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Re: The objects of attachment

Postby Virgo » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:45 am

To Tilopa, yes, thank you. :namaste:

To Kongchog, yes, a great spiritual friend. Why? I see her situation, I see my situation, I see the situation of many people all around me. They need me to help bring them to liberation. They are too caught up in the flood, don't have the knowledge or understanding to even know how much they will suffer. It is my responsibility. They are my responsibility. I cannot waste my life with pettiness. I will free all of them. Therefore, I shall make more effort.

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