Swaying in meditation

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Swaying in meditation

Postby dakini_boi » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:44 am

Anyone know, what is the significance (if any) of swaying in meditation? Particularly in circles or figure-8 pattern.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby Adamantine » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:10 am

Time to take a break and go dancing?
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:45 am

Wind imbalances. And I don't mean beans either (though, of course, diet does play a role).
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby Konchog1 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:42 am

I don't know. I sway during Puja myself.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby catmoon » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:45 am

Although this is widely viewed as a flaw in mindfulness, I've seen the Dalai Lama do it. Also Jews praying at the Wailing Wall, come to think of it.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby kirtu » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:30 pm

Konchog1 wrote:I don't know. I sway during Puja myself.


That's different.

During meditation itself you should never sway. During puja when you are more relaxed and you mind might not be completely united with mantra (in you are doing mantra recitation for example) then it's fine. You are kind of dancing.

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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:32 pm

kirtu wrote:During meditation itself you should never sway. During puja when you are more relaxed and you mind might not be completely united with mantra (in you are doing mantra recitation for example) then it's fine. You are kind of dancing.
I find it happens when I am absorbed totally in the mantra.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby kirtu » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:43 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:
kirtu wrote:During meditation itself you should never sway. During puja when you are more relaxed and you mind might not be completely united with mantra (in you are doing mantra recitation for example) then it's fine. You are kind of dancing.
I find it happens when I am absorbed totally in the mantra.
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Really? Maybe you're not as absorbed as you think. Then again there might be two types of people, swayers and non-swayers ....

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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby zerwe » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:25 pm

Helps to ease back pain during long sessions.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby dakini_boi » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:58 pm

I should clarify, it happens when doing mantra recitation, not silent meditation such as shamatha.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby catmoon » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:58 am

dakini_boi wrote:I should clarify, it happens when doing mantra recitation, not silent meditation such as shamatha.


Gee now that u mention it.... I've sometimes caught myself starting to sway during mantra practice myself. But I just figured it was something to correct, just as if I was doing meditation. You think it's important, maybe?
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby Josef » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:00 am

Mantra is related to movement in general so I wouldnt worry about it too much.
HHDL is a big swayer during pujas etc.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:59 am

kirtu wrote:Really? Maybe you're not as absorbed as you think. Then again there might be two types of people, swayers and non-swayers ...
Well if I think I am absorbed then I am definitely not absorbed... :tongue: As for the swayer/non-swayer thing: I tend to be a very mobile person in general, I'm a foot tapper and tend to toss around when in bed too, so maybe you are onto something there.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby Shemmy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:44 am

For me too, it happens when I become absorbed in mantra or shamatha, or at least unabsorbed enough to notice it's happening. In my own case, there's no way to control it unless I begin focusing almost entirely on preventing my body from being blown back and forth by a kind of invisible breeze. It is quite different from say some kind of nervous toe tapping where you can see you are unconciously doing the acivity, to me this feels like some kind of gentle force that is doing it. It's a bit weird but I have had it for years so I'm used to it. No one has ever commented on it to me either, such as meditation instructors or lamas, so I have assumed its not particularly important.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby nirmal » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:40 pm

Just tell your mind(or yourself) that you don't want to sway during meditation.Or just break the rhythm The swaying will stop.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby maybay » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:52 pm

just look at the swaying
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby Mojo » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:51 am

There have been a few times while following my breath where I had actually been fairly consistent at staying with my breath and in the tranquility of it, noticed the very strong sensation of swaying, though I'm guessing if it is anything beyong sensation, that it wouldn't be noticed by casual observer.
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Re: Swaying in meditation

Postby Uniltiranyu » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:51 am

A sense of swaying can be a good thing. If you look like you are sitting on an out of control bullet train when you meditate, then that might be a bit odd. But the swaying is okay, especially if, when you are just sitting there, you can feel it. Go online and look for pictures of the Damaru - The Drum of Immortality, a slow, steady flip-flop marking an eternal rhythm. Then, imagine your hand making that movement without the drum - turning a wheel, over and over. The subtle swaying is a topic of meditation in itself, a pleasant feeling that fosters mindfulness and calm, and the development of Jhana. In the Bible, this movement is the wandering of Cain - invisible, and ever-wandering, back and forth.

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