devotion ....

Discuss your personal experience with the Dharma here. How has it enriched your life? What challenges does it present?

Re: devotion ....

Postby Josef » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:23 am

robaire wrote:but lists are fun where you're trying to appear important ...

That's about the only time. :smile:
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Re: devotion ....

Postby robaire » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:26 am

did oliver shanti get framed?

if so why.

ok I'm gonna shaddup now ...
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Re: devotion ....

Postby Josef » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:28 am

robaire wrote:did oliver shanti get framed?

if so why.

No idea. Although I doubt it.
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Re: devotion ....

Postby robaire » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:33 am

I've been looking at devotion from the p.o.v. of other beliefs ....
for example the Anglican hymns sung in great cathedrals with majestic pipe organs.

the idea is to get that pith feeling there without going into confusion about it.

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if you could capture the essence of that experience and understand the value of it ...
theists play a large role to the Holy Ghost. why.
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Re: devotion ....

Postby Josef » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:34 am

robaire wrote:I've been looking at devotion from the p.o.v. of other beliefs ....
for example the Anglican hymns sung in great cathedrals with majestic pipe organs.

the idea is to get that pith feeling there without going into confusion about it.

Devotion for us is entirely different.
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Re: devotion ....

Postby robaire » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:36 am

us, the yogi, or us the monastic?
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Re: devotion ....

Postby Josef » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:37 am

robaire wrote:us, the yogi, or us the monastic?

Both.
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Re: devotion ....

Postby muni » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:41 am

ego/self sitting between its knowing walls is immune for blessings of enlightened nature.

Through blessings = devotion, no owner having devotion.

Being very simple clarifies all.
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Re: devotion ....

Postby robaire » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:46 am

muni wrote:ego/self sitting between its knowing walls is immune for blessings of enlightened nature.
Through blessings; devotion, no owner having devotion. Being very simple clarifies all.


describing one's practice is often not advised.

(or ... going about such in a most oblique way is often a most optimal course ..)
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Re: devotion ....

Postby muni » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:58 am

Opinions/ideas lacking the possiblity to "describe" devotion.
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Re: devotion ....

Postby robaire » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:10 am

why was the knowledge so valuable that the guru rinpoche had to assume an identity to get it across the border?
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Re: devotion ....

Postby robaire » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:51 am

..... prana .....
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Re: devotion ....

Postby robaire » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:33 am

now make the words disappear ...
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Re: devotion ....

Postby muni » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:16 pm

robaire wrote:why was the knowledge so valuable that the guru rinpoche had to assume an identity to get it across the border?


Guru Rinpoches' teaching is not conceptual mind but he could use ordinary tools, not being conditioned by them.. Concepts, conditioned like by culture.... are based on holding on, rob air.
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Re: devotion ....

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:21 pm

Dear Kev,
Seek professional help!
:namaste:
"When one is not in accord with the true view
Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
Naropa - Summary of the View from The Eight Doha Treasures
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Re: devotion ....

Postby robaire » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:17 pm

and speaking of devotion, did someone speak of devotion?

well, to say that the Dharma is a treasure city, is like trying to put a measure on infinity.

that is why language leaves off ... the Dharma is beyond measures such as treasure or wonderful.

it is in fact inside the very pith of those expressions. and there, no words may enter ...
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Re: devotion ....

Postby Mr. G » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:46 pm

robaire wrote:that is why language leaves off ... the Dharma is beyond measures such as treasure or wonderful.

it is in fact inside the very pith of those expressions. and there, no words may enter ...


And yet you're here expressing the inexpressible. Nice!
    How foolish you are,
    grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
    - Vasubandhu
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Re: devotion ....

Postby robaire » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:02 pm

How foolish you are, grasping the letter
of the text and ignoring its intention!


and many Buddhists have boxed themselves into a narrow furrow on account of their timidity in looking for truth where it is to be found, but instead looking only for "Buddhist truth" .... and soon they are fighting among themselves, because scorpions in boxes have no choice but to fight among themselves.

this video gives a good example.

it is from an altogether different tradition. some who call themselves Buddhist will go "oh pshaw, that isn't MY BOX .... while other Buddhists might go ... hmmm .... wonder if there;s anything to learn from this. ... & those are 2 very different Buddhists there.

one is looking for features on the box wall,
the other is poking a head out of the box and looking around.

    In the invisible realm of the heavens,
    There is a Buddha who skillfully uses falsehoods,
    Guiding sentient beings toward relative truth.
    Little time have they to realize ultimate truth.
    O Retchung, abandon concepts.
    (milarepa)
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Re: devotion ....

Postby robaire » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:09 pm

"earth and heaven render Thee ...."

and who would presume that there is a Buddhist heaven, boxed in, with gates and fences... its prescribed territory .....
and there's a Muslim heaven, with its own guards and gates and fencing, and over there, is the Hindu heaven, with its uniformed guards ...etc etc ....

and Buddhists, box themselves into their self imposed cultural matrix. they talk big on mind, but that mind is self limited.

why.

and why even argue about "God", when the word itself, means the very motivation to comprehend .....
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Re: devotion ....

Postby Mr. G » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:13 pm

robaire wrote: How foolish you are, grasping the letter
of the text and ignoring its intention!


Why are are you quoting my signature? This has nothing to do with this topic at all.

and many Buddhists have boxed themselves into a narrow furrow on account of their timidity in looking for truth where it is to be found, but instead looking only for "Buddhist truth" .... and soon they are fighting among themselves, because scorpions in boxes have no choice but to fight among themselves.


and Buddhists, box themselves into their self imposed cultural matrix. they talk big on mind, but that mind is self limited.


And where is this coming from?
    How foolish you are,
    grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
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