the right phenomena at the right place ... always

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the right phenomena at the right place ... always

Postby Sönam » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:37 pm

I am often surprized to see that even intelligent beings miss to understand that all phenomena displayed in front of them belong to there own karma, even if they do not like those phenomena. And that they are the right phenomena, at the right place, at the right moment.

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Re: the right phenomena at the right place ... always

Postby muni » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:06 am

Sönam wrote:I am often surprized to see that even intelligent beings miss to understand that all phenomena displayed in front of them belong to there own karma, even if they do not like those phenomena. And that they are the right phenomena, at the right place, at the right moment.

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Of course. Display. Like the comments by minds' creativity.
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Re: the right phenomena at the right place ... always

Postby Sönam » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:55 am

... even the very little phenomenum that seems to be so outside

some words, some answers, a fly walking on a screen, ...
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Re: the right phenomena at the right place ... always

Postby Josef » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:11 pm

Sönam wrote:I am often surprized to see that even intelligent beings miss to understand that all phenomena displayed in front of them belong to there own karma, even if they do not like those phenomena. And that they are the right phenomena, at the right place, at the right moment.

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This reads like Cittamatra. It may be that phenomena are perceived by individuals in certain ways because of their individual karma but to say that the phenomena are ( or belong to ) their karma is very mind-only sounding. Which hasnt been the Dzogchen view since at least the 18th century.
I disagree with the assertion that intelligent beings are missing something when they dont recognize this. Intelligent beings recognize the lack of substantial, permanent identity in self and phenomena.
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Re: the right phenomena at the right place ... always

Postby Sönam » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:42 pm

Nangwa wrote:
Sönam wrote:I am often surprized to see that even intelligent beings miss to understand that all phenomena displayed in front of them belong to there own karma, even if they do not like those phenomena. And that they are the right phenomena, at the right place, at the right moment.

Sönam

This reads like Cittamatra. It may be that phenomena are perceived by individuals in certain ways because of their individual karma but to say that the phenomena are ( or belong to ) their karma is very mind-only sounding. Which hasnt been the Dzogchen view since at least the 18th century.
I disagree with the assertion that intelligent beings are missing something when they dont recognize this. Intelligent beings recognize the lack of substantial, permanent identity in self and phenomena.


you mean that what is in relation with one of my sens, what ever it is, as insignifiant it seems, is due to hazard ...
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Re: the right phenomena at the right place ... always

Postby muni » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:11 pm

Through karma-traces or in delusion-obscurations one percieves phenomena in same deluded quality, I had understood. While all is just perfect.
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Re: the right phenomena at the right place ... always

Postby Sönam » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:44 pm

but I agree it's a provisional view ...
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