what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

Postby catmoon » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:21 pm

I think "innocence" is just as heavily loaded a word as "ignorance". Hm?
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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

Postby Aemilius » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:15 pm

In a Latin dictionary we have ignorantia and inscientia, both mean "not knowing".
ignorantia is more like a-jñana
inscientia is a-vidya

Innocentia has the meaning of quiltlessness. The beginning of a world period is like a tabula rasa, a clean canvas.
The flavor of innocence is there. Same with the beginning of a new lifetime, a new birth.
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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

Postby Aemilius » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:10 pm

To Gregkavarnos

There are atleast two issues here:
1. Because of the countless past lives, you can't really say what the average Joe has done in his 500 previous lives, can you?
You can't really judge a person's status at all, therefore you can't know what he is going to experience in the bardo, etc...

2. What is it that purifies one's karma and habitual tendencies ? Nagarjuna says that karma is not purified by abandoning, but by meditating. The Abhidharma says that the attainment of Dhyana is always a weighty karma, and attaining insight or Vipashyana is what really eradicates past karma. The basic teachings of Shakyamuni say that generosity and morality (shila) will counteract, and gradually annul, one's bad karma.
The teachings of Prajna Paramita say that one single instant of Prajna will purify the whole mass of ignorance. I believe that a single instant of the experience Clear Light will purify the infinite past karma. Also, is it not said in the Bardo Thödrol over again, and in different ways, that the deceased will become liberated in a single instant?
If you believe in Mahayana practices, you can visualize that all beings attain liberation, is that not so? Definitely you should not visualize or imagine the contrary!
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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

Postby Aemilius » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:58 am

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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

Postby Aemilius » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:58 pm

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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:09 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

Postby Beatzen » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:59 pm

I think that the cause of ignorance is weak concentration and absence of sati. Ajahn Chah was fond of saying that concentration is a vital ingredient for prajna to arise.

We are confronted by a panorama inside, and a panorama outside (Tenzin Palmo's words) - and the unfocused mind gets confused.

A better question is "what is the cause of confusion," in my opinion. I seem to remember Chah saying that confusion arises because we are not clearly discerning attraction or aversion to an object of consciousness - we aren't sure what we want, which is another symptom of the unconcentrated state.
"Cause is not before and Effect is not after"
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Re: what is the cause of Avidyā(ignorance)?

Postby Aemilius » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:59 am

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