How practical is consort practice for the majority?

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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Sönam » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:43 am

"To bring about the consummation of the sambhogakaya posture, in that posture, practice in reliance upon a karmamudra, a mudra of light, or primordial wisdom mudra. If you practice without being separated from the field of progress, the karmic vital energy are transformed into the vital energies of primordial wisdom, they are brought into the central channel, and all the apertures of the channels of delusion, which are the parhways for the movements of conceptualization, extrasensory perception, and supreme and common siddhis; galaxies become clear, and you enjoy the six ensory fields of experience. The five embodiments of the primordial wisdom of awareness appear inside each of the bindus that fill the phenomenal word."
- Avalokiteshavara's White Instructions on the Meaning of Daytime Contemplation - (quoted by Karma Chagmé in Naked Awareness)

note : A karmamudra is a physical consort, a mudra of light is a consort visualized when generating oneself as one's chosen deity; and the primodial wisdom mudra is the nature of your own awareness.
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby catmoon » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:07 pm

deff wrote:masturbation is very dangerous? :smile:


as LhugPa said, it has been handled before, many times, so poke around and see what comes up. I think you will find the topic has been beaten to death.
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Dechen Norbu » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:50 pm

Namdrol wrote:
deff wrote:masturbation is very dangerous? :smile:


Some people apparently think so -- they might go blind or grow hair on their palms. :roll:

:lol:
If it was, most male teens would never reach adulthood...
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Malcolm » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:36 pm

Dechen Norbu wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
deff wrote:masturbation is very dangerous? :smile:


Some people apparently think so -- they might go blind or grow hair on their palms. :roll:

:lol:
If it was, most male teens would never reach adulthood...


Some women would argue that most male teens never do.
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby wayland » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:50 pm

Sönam wrote:
"To bring about the consummation of the sambhogakaya posture, in that posture, practice in reliance upon a karmamudra, a mudra of light, or primordial wisdom mudra. If you practice without being separated from the field of progress, the karmic vital energy are transformed into the vital energies of primordial wisdom, they are brought into the central channel, and all the apertures of the channels of delusion, which are the parhways for the movements of conceptualization, extrasensory perception, and supreme and common siddhis; galaxies become clear, and you enjoy the six ensory fields of experience. The five embodiments of the primordial wisdom of awareness appear inside each of the bindus that fill the phenomenal word."
- Avalokiteshavara's White Instructions on the Meaning of Daytime Contemplation - (quoted by Karma Chagmé in Naked Awareness)

note : A karmamudra is a physical consort, a mudra of light is a consort visualized when generating oneself as one's chosen deity; and the primodial wisdom mudra is the nature of your own awareness.

Brilliant passage Sönam. Is it taken from a book which is on this jubject?
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby conebeckham » Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:19 pm

catmoon wrote:as LhugPa said, it has been handled before, many times, so poke around and see what comes up. I think you will find the topic has been beaten to death.


You said "handled," heh heh....and "beaten to death," heh heh.


Sorry, just couldn't resist. :shrug:
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Malcolm » Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:22 pm

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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Sönam » Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:45 pm

wayland wrote:
Sönam wrote:
"To bring about the consummation of the sambhogakaya posture, in that posture, practice in reliance upon a karmamudra, a mudra of light, or primordial wisdom mudra. If you practice without being separated from the field of progress, the karmic vital energy are transformed into the vital energies of primordial wisdom, they are brought into the central channel, and all the apertures of the channels of delusion, which are the parhways for the movements of conceptualization, extrasensory perception, and supreme and common siddhis; galaxies become clear, and you enjoy the six ensory fields of experience. The five embodiments of the primordial wisdom of awareness appear inside each of the bindus that fill the phenomenal word."
- Avalokiteshavara's White Instructions on the Meaning of Daytime Contemplation - (quoted by Karma Chagmé in Naked Awareness)

note : A karmamudra is a physical consort, a mudra of light is a consort visualized when generating oneself as one's chosen deity; and the primodial wisdom mudra is the nature of your own awareness.

Brilliant passage Sönam. Is it taken from a book which is on this jubject?
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quoted by Karma Chagmé in Naked Awareness, Practical Instructions on the Union of Mahamudra and Dzogchen ... chapter seven: "How to Follow the Path of the Leap-over"

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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby wayland » Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:06 pm

Sönam wrote:quoted by Karma Chagmé in Naked Awareness, Practical Instructions on the Union of Mahamudra and Dzogchen ... chapter seven: "How to Follow the Path of the Leap-over"
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Thanks, I'll check that out.
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Jikan » Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:38 pm

Dechen Norbu wrote: :lol:
If it was, most male teens would never reach adulthood...


Nor would many middle-aged women make it through the week. :hi:
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Tsering927 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:05 am

The whole of Vajrayana is based upon the fundamental nature of mind – immutable bliss. Everything refers to the offering of bliss. Offering the nangcho is bliss; offering the tsok is bliss; receiving the empowerment is bliss.

I’m not referring to dry passages in books. I’m telling you what they do. Dharma is making a swift transition to the west. Through the development seeing and experiencing visualization, as mostly up to now Himalayan tantric adepts have, through mind, we will begin to see that our experience isn’t isolated by our physical bodies. When bliss is offered to the mind, there arises a physical sensation of bliss in the body. Bliss is offered from the mind of the human Lama to the mind of the human consort. If this wasn't the case, no one would be able to hold ordination.

I think this is the crucial point of Vajrayana.
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:28 am

H.H. 14th Dalai Lama wrote:In Tibetan Buddhism, especially if you look at the iconography of the deities with their consorts, you can see a lot of very explicit sexual symbolism which often gives the wrong impression. Actually, in this case the sexual organ is utilized, but the energy movement which is taking place is, in the end, fully controlled. The energy should never be let out. This energy must be controlled and eventually returned to other parts of the body. What is required for a Tantric practitioner is to develop the capacity to utilize one's faculties of bliss and the blissful experiences which are specifically generated due to the flow of regenerative fluids within one's own energy channels. It is crucial to have the ability to protect oneself from the fault of emission. It is not just a purely ordinary sexual act. And here we can see there is a kind of special connection with celibacy. Especially in the practice of the Kalachakra Tantra, this precept of protecting oneself from the emission of energy is considered to be very important. The Kalachakra literature mentions three types of blissful experience: one is the blissful experience induced by the flow of energy; one is the immutable blissful experience; and one is the mutable blissful experience. To me, when Buddha took the celibacy vow, at that level he did not explain all the reasons behind that rule or that discipline. The complete explanation comes when we know the Tantrayana system. – The 14th Dalai Lama
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Virgo » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:31 am

conebeckham wrote:
catmoon wrote:as LhugPa said, it has been handled before, many times, so poke around and see what comes up. I think you will find the topic has been beaten to death.


You said "handled," heh heh....and "beaten to death," heh heh.


Sorry, just couldn't resist. :shrug:

No, he said "handled before many times"...heh heh heh.

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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Virgo » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:47 am

This is great.. a little levity around here. Buddhist practice coming back to real life, where it's really at, imo.

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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby wisdom » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:10 am

Virgo wrote:
conebeckham wrote:
catmoon wrote:as LhugPa said, it has been handled before, many times, so poke around and see what comes up. I think you will find the topic has been beaten to death.


You said "handled," heh heh....and "beaten to death," heh heh.


Sorry, just couldn't resist. :shrug:

No, he said "handled before many times"...heh heh heh.

Kevin


And poke around... and "see what comes up". In fact this whole statement is one big innuendo... :rolling:
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby deff » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:13 am

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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Virgo » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:15 am

:rolling: :tongue:

You guys are the best! :smile:

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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby Malcolm » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:31 am

Tsering927 wrote:
I think this is the crucial point of Vajrayana.


The crucial point of Vajrayāna is using the body as the method.
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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby justsit » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:11 am

wisdom wrote: In fact this whole statement is one big innuendo... :rolling:

No sh*t.

And you wonder why there are so few women here... :rolleye:


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Re: How practical is consort practice for the majority?

Postby catmoon » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:01 am

conebeckham wrote:
catmoon wrote:as LhugPa said, it has been handled before, many times, so poke around and see what comes up. I think you will find the topic has been beaten to death.


You said "handled," heh heh....and "beaten to death," heh heh.


Sorry, just couldn't resist. :shrug:


Ah! Someone noticed! An aware being indeed. :rolling:
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