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The Danger of Rebirth

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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"Once you understand anatta, then the burden of life is gone. You’ll be at peace with the world. When we see beyond self, we no longer cling to happiness and we can truly be happy."

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puthujjana my friend, look at my above post first you may have missed me post it while you was typing your response, i feel it covers important aspects that i have been trying to get accross.


Now concerning rebirth, it was taught as eternalism

"Going from there HE REAPPEARS there"

Emptiness, the essence of the buddhadhamma is about how there is no rebirth, no I to be reborn at all, no rebirth.


However over the centuries anatta and emptiness were mixed with rebirth, there was mixing of the mundane and the supermundane, this is where all confusion about the true dhamma comes from in my opinion.


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Well quoted from Ajahn Chah Craig

This is in essence with the Buddha's teaching, as found in the supramundane suttas such as MN 38.

From delight & clinging, comes birth.

From sorrow & lamentation come death.

From death comes dukkha.

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Craig: First of all sorry if my response was not clear enough

Me: "So, please clarify for me, for an unawakened individual, when he dies, there is no rebirth? No anything? What really happens to him? And how do you know that?

Craig: Why do you cling to a sense of self? There is no rebirth. This is truth.


(Namaste; a Hindu greeting acknowledging the shared god with everyone, the atman. The Buddhist greeting would be anjali.)

That I use conventional language does not mean I am clinging to a sense of self.

So, please answer the question, what happens on a conventional level, to the individual who dies?

Craig: Nothing, what so ever, should be clung to?”
Buddha


Okay; however, that does not answer the question.

Me: “Tell us from each level”

Craig: The following quote explains both levels in accordance with my understanding.
They said to the Buddha: "500 laywomen have died. What is their future course?" On realizing the significance, the Buddha said: "Bound with delusion & acquisitions, it seems eternal. But for one who sees, there is nothing."


Would you be kind enough to explain in detail how this not very good translation answers the question on each level.

Craig: How do I know this, through following the advise of the wise, through practice and contemplation of the here and now, where the truth is to be found and not be just believing what is tradition, what is scripture but through scrutiny of what is taught.

And I have not done any of this in my 40 years of practice? Of course, you do not know.


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