The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby Adamantine » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:47 pm

I got the sense your idea of "repackaging" was a bit confused also based on including Tarthang Tulku in your list of Tertons..

Also, it is good to be clear about Chogyam Trungpa-- he was brilliant, and made remarkable attempts to translate Dharma concepts into western philosophical or psychological or even pop culture terms.. but these efforts were not considered his terma, just as his incorporation of japanese cultural art forms into practice was not considered his terma...
But I am not an expert on him by any means.

What seems erratic is your admiration of "innovation", ala your dharma geeks talk.. and possible conflating that with terma, as in the Tarthang Tulku case, and your implications in that same prior post.

I can understand that to a point, in that if a living terton is actually a fully awakened being such as Dudjom Lingpa or Dudjom Rinpoche clearly were, then they may be "downloading from the Dharmakaya" at any moment... but still, in general there are conventions about what qualifies as terma, and what doesn't. It's not a term that can be thrown on to anything.

When you reference Reggie Ray with admiration in your interview, this raises some red flags.. you pronounce that he is doing well, etc. But it seems apparent from his interviews that he is clearly innovating, discarding essential points of Dharma like rebirth, and still claiming himself as a teacher of Vajrayana, which by nature requires an understanding of rebirth, and bardo, etc. for it to make any sense. So I am a bit suspect about your eagerness for innovation, new forms, etc. and question your motivation for seeking a watered down dharma that adapts to cultural trends. . . I mean, you should know there are many warnings by Guru Rinpoche about these degeneration times and degeneration of the teachings..
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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby Malcolm » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:56 pm

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby Pero » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:13 pm

Who gave the transmission of this lineage to the Aro leader?
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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby heart » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:02 am

Protestant Buddhism expressing its true face as the degeneration of Dharma in our times. There can't be much of Dudjom Rinpoche left in Ngakpa Chögyam teachings if his students say this.

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby DGA » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:44 pm

Thank you, David, for clarifying my questions on Kali Ma and the rest. We might not agree on many points, but your patience and persistence in this thread are appreciated.

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby Dechen Norbu » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:34 am

After a couple of days off duty I come back only to see 3 pages of the same old stuff about Aro?.... :roll:

The fact that someone comes here with pondered words and a soft tone doesn't change a single coma about what I said.
A lot of harm can be caused with a pleasant speech. You catch flies with honey, not vinegar...

As I said to the OP of that other little thread, these Aro's are a bunch of fakes- meaning mostly the two weirdos you can see in the photo, their active supporters and, sadly, the retinue of people they successfully were able to fool- this is widely known -as you can see the polemics have been there unresolved for a long time now- and you better stay clear of that organization- unless you want to end up practicing something that has little or nothing to do with Dharma, as you can understand if you read this thread.
The people who came here speaking in favor of Aro are just confirming the points I previously made.
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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby Adamantine » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:08 pm

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby Pero » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:17 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar

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Re: The Aro gTér: some answers and questions

Postby Malcolm » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:24 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa


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