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The Danger of Rebirth

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:11 pm

Greetings Craig,

For what it's worth, I understand where you're coming from with this thread. My lack of participation hasn't had to do with lack of interest, merely that I've not seen much opportunity to contribute.

As with most discussion threads on rebirth, this one is abound with straw men. I think it's important for us to concentrate and listen to what others are saying, understand it is as it said, and to not conflate that with other preconceptions we might have about what such views entail.

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Postby Prasadachitta » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:16 pm

Hi Retro,

Who is Craig?


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Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:32 pm

That lots of people hold rebirth as a centerpiece in their practice might be a strawman.
Peter has said this before and I agreed: the only time rebirth is really discussed a lot is when someone is objecting to it.

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Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:00 am

Greetings Craig,

Perhaps you would prefer the term "post-mortem continuance" to "rebirth", because when one understands idappaccayata, it is evident that there is nothing to "re".

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Postby Ben » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:47 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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"Once you understand anatta, then the burden of life is gone. You’ll be at peace with the world. When we see beyond self, we no longer cling to happiness and we can truly be happy."

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