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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

Postby Indrajala » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:01 am

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

Postby Malcolm » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:06 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

Postby KathyLauren » Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:33 am

Peak OIl, like Climate Change, is just one symptom of the bigger problem. The problem is unsustainability, and our civilization is quite determined to deny it until the end. In fact, our civilization depends on denying it. All things are impermanent, but when something is unsustainable, the manner of its demise is predictable, if not the timing.

The official definition of sustainabilty is a model of bureaucratic double-speak that allows anyone to rationalize driving a Hummer as long as their kids drive one too. When I talk about sustainability, I mean something different, and much simpler. I mean zero net consumption of resources.

As long as a resource is, in the net, consumed, that consumption cannot be sustained beyond the exhaustion of the resource. That is why all mines eventually run out, and why most ghost towns are former mining towns. The larger problem is that there is not a single natural resource on the planet that is being used sustainably.

Oil is not the first resource to be harvested to exhaustion. Peak Oil theory suggests that it may be the first whose depletion will have a catastrophic effect on civilization. But whether it is oil or some other resource, or some combination of resources, a civilization that depends on the consumption of resources cannot survive their exhaustion.

Life will go on after civilization collapses. Perhaps it will include human life. There will be suffering. And, where there is suffering, there will be the need for a path to end it. The Dharma will survive.

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

Postby kirtu » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:12 am

Additionally hydroelectric power has not been maximized and hydroelectric power generation and potential is enormous (although I'd like to see some numbers - there is a plan to dam the Mekong that would result in about 32 GW - the Three Gorges Dam, the dam that make the Yangtze River dolphin extinct, is supposed to generate 200+ GW).

There have been plans to dam the Gibraltar since the 1920's and I saw plans to dam the Being Strait many years ago. Such enormous projects have the potential to eliminate power issues for quite some time. Of course they also pose environmental risk.

As far as the militarial occupation of Tibet goes, it doesn't take that much of a military force to occupy a vastly underpopulated region esp. where the population is basically concentrated around cities and towns and where the people will not take up arms and where passive resistance is met with a bullet (or a disappearance). The history of totalitarian regimes shows that they will eventually be defeated but the PRC shows no evidence of engaging an exit strategy. They seem to think that they can wait until the Dalai Lama has died and trust in the material progress that they have (in their minds) benignly showered upon the region.

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

Postby Malcolm » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:28 am





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
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— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

Postby Josef » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:15 am

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

Postby treehuggingoctopus » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:32 pm

. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

Postby Indrajala » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:52 pm

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

Postby catmoon » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:16 am

Fusion power passed the breakeven point years ago. It's still not commercially viable though. The basic problem is confining a hot dense plasma with electromagnetic fields. The confinement is horrendously unstable (think of picking up the soap in the shower) and the mathematics visciously difficult. The intense radiation environment around the plasma slowly degrades nearby steel and concrete structures, meaning you have to reline the reactor periodically, and wouldn't you just know it, the material removed is radioactive. Lastly, I can't see how the laws of thermodynamics would allow such a reactor to run without generating massive amounts of waste heat, so you'd need a small river to cool one.
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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Buddhism and Peak Oil

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