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About the 8 precepts?

Postby Admiral » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:57 pm

Hi everybody :namaste:

I'd like to practice the Eight precepts while Uposatha...
I understand the 5 first precepts, but I have some questions about the 3 others :x

1. I undertake the rule of training to refrain from
eating outside the time.
Does that mean to just have breakfast, lunch and dinner? Or is this more restrictive?

2. I undertake the rule of training to refrain from
dancing, singing, music, going to see entertainments,
wearing garlands, smartening with perfumes and beautifying
with cosmetics.
As I'm singer in a hardcore band, does this mean that I can go to rehearsals or do gigs while Uposatha's?
And does this mean I can't listen to music as well?

3. I undertake the rule of training to refrain from
a high or large sleeping-place.
Is a sleeping bag a sufficient "lower" sleeping place?

Thanks a lot for the help, I'm still discovering buddhism... :embarassed:

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:07 pm

no meals after noon

no music, so no singing.

sleeping bag is fine.
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby bodom » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:29 pm

Hi Admiral

I think you'll find this essay as helpful as I do.

Uposatha Sila The Eight-Precept Observance
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... satha.html

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby Admiral » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:39 pm

Thanks a lot for that link bodom :D

Oh, and... is your username related to the metal band "children of bodom"? ;)

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby bodom » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:56 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby IanAnd » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:20 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby Zom » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:02 pm

And don't forget that in the case of 8 precepts "sexual misconduct" turns into "no sexual activity at all".

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby cooran » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:09 pm

Hello all,

This may be helpful:

The Eight Precepts

In Buddhist countries, on Buddhist holidays it is common for lay Buddhists to observe a more stringent code of discipline consisting of eight precepts. These are modeled upon the ethical code of a novice monk or nun, but are generally taken for only a 24-hour period. The first five of the Eight Precepts are identical with the regular Five Precepts (see above), except that the third is changed to read: “I accept the training rule to abstain from all sexual behavior.” This requires abstinence even from actions like hugging, kissing, holding hands, etc.
The additional three are as follows:
(6) “I accept the training rule to abstain from food at improper times.” This means that no solid food (including milk and milk products) should be consumed between twelve noon and dawn of the following day (roughly 6 am). After twelve noon, one may drink any beverage such as tea, coffee, cocoa, fruit juices, etc. A plain vegetable broth, without the pulp, is also permissible. Precept-holders should eat a more substantial lunch than usual (but without stuffing oneself!). With a little determination to resist the force of habit, one will find this suffices for the rest of the day.

(7) “I accept the training rule (a) to abstain from dancing, singing, instrumental music, and shows, and (b) from the use of jewelry, cosmetics, and beauty lotions.” Part (a) means that one refrains both from participating in such activities and attending performances at which they take place. Part (b) excludes personal ornamentation. On a liberal interpretation, the precept should not prohibit women from wearing earrings permanently secured on their ears or, if they so wish, from wearing their wedding bands. It does exclude perfumes, makeup, and other toiletries, but not deodorant or skin lotion needed to counter a dry-skin condition.

(8) “I accept the training rule to abstain from the use of high and luxurious beds and seats.” During this day one should avoid sitting in especially soft, high, or luxurious seats. The typical American bed would not count as “high and luxurious,” but if one wishes to be extra scrupulous one might sleep in a sleeping bag, mat, or rug spread on the floor.

The Eight Precepts, if undertaken, should be observed until the following dawn. At dawn, one verbally relinquishes them – either to oneself or to another person, preferably before a Buddha image – and then undertakes the usual Five Precepts.
http://www.bodhimonastery.net/bm/precepts.html

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:03 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby octathlon » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:25 pm

Yes, right. I was just wondering because that webpage says they are to be verbally relinquished (the extra three, at least) and I wasn't sure how that was supposed to work. Probably doesn't matter! :)

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby cooran » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:43 pm

Hello octathlon,

There is a wealth of info here - look under Atthasila:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-su ... l#precepts

with metta
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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby kc2dpt » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:52 pm

IIRC, when you are done observing the eight you just recite the five.
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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby octathlon » Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:52 am

I can't understand how #8 helps, but I can definitely see how #6 would be helpful. For #7, I think nowadays that not watching TV and not using the internet, at least for entertainment uses, would also be appropriate.

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Re: About the 8 precepts?

Postby Wind » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:46 am

When I used to sleep on the floor as soon as I am awake, I would get up. But after purchasing a nice comfy bed, getting out of bed has been a struggle. :tongue:


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