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Nanavira.

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby alan » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:36 am

Just ordered "Notes" from amazon. In anticipation of reading it, I'd like to understand why it generates so much emotional turmoil. He was not a scholar, but so what? If his thoughts are useful and compelling, motivating the reader to pursue a more noble path, what is wrong?

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:47 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby alan » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:04 am

I have a new hero.

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Re: Nanavira.

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby kc2dpt » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:41 pm

- Peter


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Re: Nanavira.

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby alan » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:58 am

Hi Peter
Well you seem to be one of those who have an extreme emotional reaction to Nanavira!
Do you think his thoughts are without merit? Are they not really Buddhist?
I'm not asking this as a challenge--just trying to gather some opinions before studying the book itself.
Thanks Mike for your input too.

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:16 am

Moderator note: It is really inappropriate to attribute to someone you cannot see or hear what their emotional reactions are, especially "extreme." Do NOT assume what a person's emotional reaction are or are not - if it is important to you: ask, preferably in private.

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby alan » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:40 am

Moderator, note:
At the top of this page the question was asked "I'd like to understand why it generates so much emotional turmoil".

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Re: Nanavira.

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby kc2dpt » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:55 pm

- Peter


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Re: Nanavira.

Postby kc2dpt » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:17 pm

I believe I understand Alan's confusion.

Alan says, "I'd like to understand why it generates so much emotional turmoil."
Peter gives an answer.
Alan assumes that because Peter gives an answer we can infer Peter has emotional turmoil.

In other words, Alan assumed I was answering the question "why it generates emotional turmoil for me" whereas I was answering the more general question "why it generates emotional turmoil for some people. So to be clearer...

Ven. Nanavira openly dismisses, contradicts, and reinterprets traditional Theravada Buddhist teachings. This sort of thing tends to generate emotional turmoil in folks.

I hope this is clearer.
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Re: Nanavira.

Postby Ben » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:51 pm

Thank you Peter.
Great responses!
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Re: Nanavira.

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:07 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby bodom » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:11 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


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with regard to the six media of contact,
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Re: Nanavira.

Postby alan » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:23 am

Thanks Peter.
I've read bits and pieces from Nanavira's website and found it fascinating and challenging--look forward soon to the opportunity of going through his thoughts from start to finish. Would like to hear from those who disagree with him and ask what it is that you don't accept.
Dismissing, contradicting, and re-interpreting, as you've noted, cause emotional turmoil among those wedded to the traditional way of understanding. So I'm hoping to hear what people dislike about his particular views, rather than critiques of his style or attitude towards later teachings.
Thanks.

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby kc2dpt » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:12 am

- Peter


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Re: Nanavira.

Postby alan » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:19 am

That doesn't leave much for me to go on. What is the right way?

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Re: Nanavira.

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:54 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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