Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Blue Garuda » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:05 pm

Thanks. That also answers the point about one school's superiority over another, as Dzogchen seems outside of any school's 'ownership' and thus universally attainable with the right instruction and guru/disciple relationship. Of course, such masters are likely to be more easily found in a school which has a focus on Dzogchen. An ecumenical approach could go both ways, I guess - an increase in correct Dzogchen across the TB schools, or a mish-mash of compromises. Think I'll stick with Mahamudra for this lifetime. :)
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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Huifeng » Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:04 am

A lot of the Buddhism I see is already somewhat ecumenial at least.
Most "traditions" or "schools" began as some sort of ecumenial mix at the time, too.

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Zenshin 善心 » Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:08 am

All beings since their first aspiration till the attainment of Buddhahood are sheltered under the guardianship of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas who, responding to the requirements of the occasion, transform themselves and assume the actual forms of personality.

Thus for the sake of all beings Buddhas and Bodhisattvas become sometimes their parents, sometimes their wives and children, sometimes their kinsmen, sometimes their servants, sometimes their friends, sometimes their enemies, sometimes reveal themselves as devas or in some other forms.


- Ashvaghosa, The Awakening of Faith


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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Indrajala » Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:50 am

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby ground » Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:10 am

First there arises the idea of separation and difference, next there arises the idea of unification and oneness. Nothing but ideas.

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

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Free of hope and fear, relax.
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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Pero » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:39 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Indrajala » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:44 am

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Huifeng » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:23 am

In that case, do you wish to reword the very OP topic itself?
After all, "ecumenial" is not a Buddhist term.

Is Buddha-dharma open to antara-vadika approaches? :tongue:

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Indrajala » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:47 am

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Astus » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:53 am

An ecumenical approach is found in several Chinese masters' teachings, among whom one of the most prominent is Yongming Yanshou. Just as he could personally connect to and comprehend the major teachings of his time, it is also possible today to do the same with diverse traditions.

"The term zong is problematic owing to its different meanings. It can refer to a doctrinal interpretation, particularly the underlying theme or essential doctrine of a text, or to a “school,” which in Chinese Buddhism often refers to a tradition tracing its origin back to its founder. In this case, Yanshou is clearly closer to the first meaning, suggesting a unified underlying theme or essential doctrine of Buddhist teaching as a whole, and clearly countering narrower interpretations favored by sectarian lineage. The means to accomplish this aim are also made clear: using the question-and-answer method to dispel doubts and citing writings that make true principle—the central, unifying source ( zhengzong 正宗 ) of Buddhist teaching—explicit. The suggestion that such a unifying doctrine underlies all Buddhist teaching is essentially antithetical to sectarian concerns.
According to Yanshou, the citation of authoritative scriptures, the teachings of the Buddhas and patriarchs, makes clear that the one, all-encompassing, universal mind ( yixin 一心 ) is the zong , the central, unifying source of Buddhist teaching. The myriad dharmas of phenomenal existence ( wanfa 萬法 ) are the mirror, or reflections ( jing 鏡 ) of the mind. Hence, the title of the work, Zongjing lu , refers to a record ( lu 錄 ) of sources that reflect or mirror ( jing ) the essential, underlying doctrine of Buddhist teaching ( zong )."

(Albert Welter: Yongming Yanshou's Conception of Chan, p. 24-25)
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Grigoris » Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:19 am

It's funny, for me, that most of the terminology being thrown around and labelled as "Western" is actually Greek and Greece, from my personal experience, has much more in common with the near East and the Balkans than the Anglo-Celtic-Saxon mindset that is currently defined as "Western".
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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

Postby Indrajala » Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:32 am

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Re: Is ecumenical Buddhism realistic?

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