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Son of Buddha wrote:
hey mister G i was in fact refering to the pure abodes. also the pure abodes and the pureland are the same thing. the pure abodes translated into the pureland from india to the asians. but they are refernece to the same things
you are reborn as a god in the pure abodes vow 26 (vajra god)(of amida Buddha)they are a place of none retrogression,where you can stay and reach enlightenment
in the majjhima nikaya the paths of transmigation is HELL,ghosts,animals,humans,(samsara)god,pure abodes/pureland) found in majjhima nikaya sutta mahasihanada 12 also (bodhiku bodhi) verse 57-58 to be a god in the pure abode.
same book sutta dhatuvibhanga sutta verse36 Pukkusati dies and goes to the pure abodes and not the heavenly god realm because the pureabodes is distinctily Buddhist.
also look at the digha nikaya mahaparinibbana sutta verse 2.7 Buddha visits the pure abodes bfore he dies.
Son of Buddha wrote:
I think he was referring to the Pure Abodes which have some similarities.
hey ryoto yea i was refering to the pure abodes,when the pure abodes was translated thru laungueges it was called pureland (abodes and land) having the same meaning check out the agamas
although they are the same their is differnces bettween them from thervadan to mahayana
for instance to get into the pureabodes u need to destroy the 5 fetters in the pureland sutras of amitabha you need watch out for tyhe 5 burnings
the 5 fetters and 5 burnings are refering to the same thing although the mahayana version is more lax in the entry of the pureland
both maintain FAITH is the main process of entry though.
peace and love check out the 5 burnings and 5 fetters to see the similarities. also look up the translations of pureabode to pureland its pretty neat.
peace and love
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In this Teaching that is so well proclaimed by Me and is plain, open, explicit and free of patchwork; for those who are Arahants, free of taints, who have accomplished and completed their task, have laid down the burden, achieved their aim, severed the fetters binding to existence, who are liberated by full knowledge, there is no (future) round of existence that can be ascribed to them.
"Monks, in this Teaching that is so well proclaimed by Me and is plain, open, explicit and free of patchwork, those monks who have abandoned the five lower fetters will all be reborn spontaneously (in the Pure Abodes) and there they will pass away finally, no more returning from that world.
"Monks, in this Teaching that is so well proclaimed by Me and is plain, open, explicit and free of patchwork, those monks who have abandoned three fetters and have reduced greed, hatred and delusion, are all once-returners, and, returning only once to this world, will then make an end of suffering.
"Monks, in this Teaching that is so well proclaimed by Me and is plain, open, explicit and free of patchwork, those monks who have abandoned three fetters, are all stream-enterers, no more liable to downfall, assured, and headed for full Enlightenment.
Also known as Aviha, Atappa, Sudassa (Suddhavasa), Sudassi and Akanittha: 1 2 3
There are some Theravadins I know who make aspirations and practice to be born in Tusita Heaven where the future Buddha, Metteyya Bodhisatta (Maitreya Bodhisattva) is now and also to be born in his teaching assembly where he will be in the future as a Samma Sambuddha (Samyak Sambuddha) although this is a non-canonical and personal piety/practice. What is canonical though is that all future Buddhas will take the second last birth in Tusita Heaven and their assured attainment of Buddhahood in their last birth.
Then, there is this curious discussion here
Hi Son of Buddha & plwk,
The pure abodes do not equal the Pure Land. The pure abodes are still within samsara. The Pure Land is outside of the three realms (arupa, rupa & kama loka). Yes, Maitreya is in Tushita heaven. However, that is a heaven, it is not Pure Land. Ordinary people with afflictions cannot
get to Tushita heaven. Ordinary people with afflictions can
get to Sukhavati. According to Indian cosmology, Tushita is one of the heavens of the desire realm within the saha world-realm (lokadhatu), the "realm" where we dwell. However, Sukhavati exists far beyond the saha world-realm. The lifespan of Tusita lasts 4000 heaven years, Sukhavati is limitless:For those who wish to become buddhas swiftly, it is necessary to pray for rebirth in a pure buddha-field. There are differing fields beyond number, and it has been declared that they are difficult to delimit in speech. Among them, in order to be born in the other superior fields excepting Sukhavati, you must attain at least the eight bhumi, having entirely cut off the two obscurations. Even to be born in the middling fields, you must entirely cut off even the most subtle aspects of the obscuration of the afflictions and attain at least the first moment on the path of contemplative cultivation. And for even the least of the fields, you must cut off attachment to self from the roots, and attain the path of seeing, that is, selflessness, the real truth. Until you've attained the path of seeing, though you pray for re-birth in a buddha-field, you'll not achieve it. But even without attaining the path of seeing, should you strive at prayer, while not engaging even in the most subtle disciplinary faults with respect to your commitments and moral training, and purifying sins and gathering the profits of virtue, you may just be born in some of the trifling fields such as Tusita, and even that will be difficult. Because in those fields there is no room for the births of common, ordinary persons (prthagjana), who wallow in the afflictions, from now on you must pray at length! Therefore, it would seem that afflicted, common persons will not be born in the field of a buddha. Nevertheless, through the power of Buddha Amitabha's prayers, birth in the Sukhavati field has been vouchsafed by lord Amitabha himself
- Machig Labdron
How foolish you are,
grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!