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distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby dakini_boi » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:41 am

Why is refuge considered an "uncommon" preliminary? I thought refuge is an essential part of all Buddhist paths.

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby sangyey » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:58 am

Perhaps referring to 'inner refuge' of lama, yidam, and dakini?

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby ngodrup » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:32 am

In the Dudjom Tersar: Refuge is in the Lama who embodies the 3 jewels.

In the Nam Cho: Refugee is in Buddha Samantabhadra/Samantabhadri yab-yum
as the embodiment of Dzogchen.

Also, it is said in the commentaries that the 4 thoughts are the basis of
all spirituality, not necessarily Buddhist, but refuge is uncommon in that
it is not common with non-Buddhists.

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby Paul » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:07 am

Namdrol's pointed out that the four uncommon practices are all a form of guru yoga - so I guess that's one reason why the refuge is uncommon.
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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby Dave The Seeker » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:07 pm

Everyday problems teach us to have a realistic attitude.
They teach us that life is what life is; flawed.
Yet with tremendous potential for joy and fulfillment.
~Lama Surya Das~

If your path teaches you to act and exert yourself correctly and leads to spiritual realizations such as love, compassion and wisdom then obviously it's worthwhile.
~Lama Thubten Yeshe~

One whose mind is freed does not argue with anyone, he does not dispute with anyone. He makes use of the conventional terms of the world without clinging to them
~The Buddha~

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby Dave The Seeker » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:56 pm

ok back to the OP, is taking Refuge an uncommon preliminary in all traditions?

I'm very drawn to the Mahayana tradition, and it would seem that taking Refuge would "help or aid" in the accumulation of merit and wisdom. Which should really not be the goal in our actions of liberating sentient beings, but the "reward" for our proper actions.
Please once again if I'm mistaken correct me.


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Everyday problems teach us to have a realistic attitude.
They teach us that life is what life is; flawed.
Yet with tremendous potential for joy and fulfillment.
~Lama Surya Das~

If your path teaches you to act and exert yourself correctly and leads to spiritual realizations such as love, compassion and wisdom then obviously it's worthwhile.
~Lama Thubten Yeshe~

One whose mind is freed does not argue with anyone, he does not dispute with anyone. He makes use of the conventional terms of the world without clinging to them
~The Buddha~

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby Grigoris » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:19 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby kirtu » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:25 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby Grigoris » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:55 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby Grigoris » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:09 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby Malcolm » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:27 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby kirtu » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:19 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby Malcolm » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:27 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: distinction between common & uncommon preliminaries

Postby Grigoris » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:58 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde


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