Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

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Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby kirtu » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:41 pm



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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby kirtu » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:12 pm

What are the rules for this pronounciation: ངེས་འབྱུང nyen joong ?

ངེ nga modified with the e'
ས silent (really silent or adding an n ?)
་འ silent short a (really or combining with ངེས་ ?)
བྱུ b-u-y sound all at once?
ང ng ending

Pointers gratefully appreciated!

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby tantular » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:03 pm

ngay joong in standard Tibetan. Final is never pronounced "n"; it's always silent, but fronts and lengthens the preceding vowel. "E" is already a front vowel, so it merely lengthens. Initial can become a nasalization if the preceding syllable ends in a vowel, e.g. pronounced gendün, but in the intervenes and the remains silent.

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby kirtu » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:19 pm

In ཚེ་འདི་ལ་ཞེན་ན་ཆོས་པ་མིན -

is ཞེན་ན in the locative case? Is the ན indicating locative case? If so does this just apply to ཞེན attachment - wait this is a verb so it can't be a noun inflection.

The whole structure of the verses is a premise followed by a negated conclusion on each line so are verbs actually needed and used in this structure?

Is the ལ in ཚེ་འདི་ལ indicating the alliative case or should this just be treated as an atomic phrase?

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby kirtu » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:20 am

Why is pronounced kor-wa at all? Why does the take a "wa" sound when there is a perfectly fine letter for that already: ?

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby tantular » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:45 am

I wouldn't worry too much about English case names---they bear no relation to how Tibetans understand their own language. Even the Tibetan case names, mechanically borrowed from Sanskrit, don't explain how particles are actually used. Tibetan's a very idiomatic language: the best way to learn is simply to read a lot and see how particles are used in real sentences, not to memorize allative vs. superessive locatives.

tshe 'di la zhen na = if [you are] attached to this life ...

"verb + na" = "if/when verb". This is an extremely common construction in both classical and colloquial.

zhen takes the particle la. Like English "attached to", but "greedy for", "desirous of", it's best to simply memorize the particles used with a verb at the same time as the verb's meaning.

is pronounced "wa" when it's used as a nominal suffix; this is simply one of the many sound changes to memorize.

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby Malcolm » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:37 pm





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Free of hope and fear, relax.
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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby kirtu » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:08 pm





dzhinpa tongpö la zhen-na tawa min ?

= verb, infinite ?, grasping

= noun ?, impermanent thing, functioning thing, phenomena

= noun ?, view, philosophical view, (but apparently not a specified view like a Buddhist view per se, just the idea of philosophical view ?)

If so this reads more like: If one is attached to grasping to phenomena then one doesn't have the view.

Ballpark?

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby MrDistracted » Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:07 pm

Hi Kirt

I've just checked , Chogye Trichen Rinpoche's book has the version that Tantular stated, in the Tibetan text at the back, ie " 'dzin pa byung na lta ba min"

The translation in this book is 'If grasping arises, you do not have the view'

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby kirtu » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:51 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby MrDistracted » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:07 pm

:reading:
Yes, they're spot on.
It's just the last line that differs in the rigpawiki version.

I'll keep my copy next to my computer, feel free to ask if there's anything else you need to know from it...

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby kirtu » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:26 am



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

Postby Malcolm » Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:08 am





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Parting from the Four Attachments in Tibetan?

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche


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