Simple question about Pure Lands

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Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby Rakz » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:39 am

Do they cease to exist once all sentient beings reach the state of Buddhahood? That is if there are a finite number of sentient beings.

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby Astus » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:10 pm

Buddha-lands exist because of the buddhas who created them, just as the world exist because of people's karma. Now the questions are whether buddhas live eternally or not, and sentient beings are infinite or not. But is there a definitive answer?
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby sinweiy » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:14 pm

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"Enlightenment is to turn around and see MY own mistake, Other's mistake is also my mistake. Others are right even if they are wrong. i'm wrong even if i'm right. " - Master Chin Kung

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby LastLegend » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:59 am

All is Buddhas, and all are sentient beings. What is meant by sentient beings? Perhaps the term "sentient" (meaning "alive") from my understanding through learning teachings in Vietnamese is quite misleading. It should be "all beings" as all are causes and conditions.

I don't think our grasping mind (of what exists or not exist) can understand?
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby LastLegend » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:41 am

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby maybay » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:20 pm

would the last person out please turn off the lights?
People will know nothing and everything
Remember nothing and everything
Think nothing and everything
Do nothing and everything
- Machig Labdron

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby sinweiy » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:32 pm

the lights is already on, deluded are we to think that it's off and go and flip the switch and turn is off!

---analogy from shurangama sutra.

the light was never off. :)
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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby catmoon » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:10 am

there never was a light or a switch. :mrgreen:
Sergeant Schultz knew everything there was to know.

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby Rakz » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:54 am

From Pure Lands and sentient beings to lights and switches. Let's open up a home hardware section on here somewhere. :tongue:
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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby Aemilius » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:01 pm

svaha

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby Rakz » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:04 pm

well said :meditate:

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby sinweiy » Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:58 am

_/\_
Amituofo!

"Enlightenment is to turn around and see MY own mistake, Other's mistake is also my mistake. Others are right even if they are wrong. i'm wrong even if i'm right. " - Master Chin Kung

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby Aemilius » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:34 am

In the Perfection of Wisdom in 700 Lines, (translated by Edward Conze) :

"If Rev. Saradvatiputra, to put an imaginary case, in each single Buddhafield there were Buddhas and Lords countless as the sands of the Ganges, and if each single Tathagata were to abide for aeons countless as the sands of the Ganges, demonstrating Dharma night and day, and if each single Tathagata with each single demonstration of Dharma were to discipline as many beings as have been disciplined by each single demonstration of Dharma on the part of Buddhas and Lords countless as the sands of the Ganges, -even if that were done one could not conceive of a depletion of the world of beings or its repletion. And why? Because of the isolatedness of beings, because their nonbeingness."
svaha

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby Nosta » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:55 pm

Can you help me to understand better that sentence (right before this post)?

Does it mean that its impossible to save ALL the beings? That such task will never really be acomplishied? And if so, why? It wasnt clear for me.

Thanks.

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby sinweiy » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:43 am

_/\_
Amituofo!

"Enlightenment is to turn around and see MY own mistake, Other's mistake is also my mistake. Others are right even if they are wrong. i'm wrong even if i'm right. " - Master Chin Kung

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Re: Simple question about Pure Lands

Postby Aemilius » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:25 am

svaha


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