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Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby dakini_boi » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:13 pm

If shukra is a waste product, and ojas is generally not lost in the discharge of shukra - then what is the rationale behind not ejaculating when practicing tummo?
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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby Lhug-Pa » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:50 pm

Good question.

It looks like you've been following the discussion in the "End of the Kali Yuga" thread in the Lounge, that started with this post:

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=6111&start=40#p71513

It would worth reitering some of the points made there when going further into this topic.
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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby Malcolm » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:40 pm

dakini_boi wrote:If shukra is a waste product, and ojas is generally not lost in the discharge of shukra - then what is the rationale behind not ejaculating when practicing tummo?



It acts as a basis for the bliss of tummy.

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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby dakini_boi » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:53 pm

Oh, I thought it was the ojas that was important. Do shukra and ojas have different roles in tummo, or do they act together as the basis for bliss?

Also, what is the relationship between bindu and ojas?
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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby Malcolm » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:11 pm

dakini_boi wrote:Oh, I thought it was the ojas that was important. Do shukra and ojas have different roles in tummo, or do they act together as the basis for bliss?

Also, what is the relationship between bindu and ojas?



In tummo, what is important is bliss.

There are different kinds of bindu. The most basic bindu is the bindu of pranavayu in the heart. The so called "bodhicitta" that circulates in the body is actually ojas.

Sukra acts as the basis for bliss.
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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby Inge » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:18 pm

Namdrol wrote:
dakini_boi wrote:Oh, I thought it was the ojas that was important. Do shukra and ojas have different roles in tummo, or do they act together as the basis for bliss?

Also, what is the relationship between bindu and ojas?



In tummo, what is important is bliss.

There are different kinds of bindu. The most basic bindu is the bindu of pranavayu in the heart. The so called "bodhicitta" that circulates in the body is actually ojas.

Sukra acts as the basis for bliss.


Does it also act as the basis for the bliss that arises in the jhanas?
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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby Malcolm » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:16 am

Inge wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
dakini_boi wrote:Oh, I thought it was the ojas that was important. Do shukra and ojas have different roles in tummo, or do they act together as the basis for bliss?

Also, what is the relationship between bindu and ojas?



In tummo, what is important is bliss.

There are different kinds of bindu. The most basic bindu is the bindu of pranavayu in the heart. The so called "bodhicitta" that circulates in the body is actually ojas.

Sukra acts as the basis for bliss.


Does it also act as the basis for the bliss that arises in the jhanas?


No.
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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby rai » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:51 am

Namdrol wrote:
dakini_boi wrote:Oh, I thought it was the ojas that was important. Do shukra and ojas have different roles in tummo, or do they act together as the basis for bliss?

Also, what is the relationship between bindu and ojas?



In tummo, what is important is bliss.

There are different kinds of bindu. The most basic bindu is the bindu of pranavayu in the heart. The so called "bodhicitta" that circulates in the body is actually ojas.

Sukra acts as the basis for bliss.


is there a connection between sukra and being joyful or depressed for normal people (not a yogis)? thank you
Disdaining the lower and unable to grasp the higher,
talking of emptiness, such a person will neglect cause and effect,
mouthing on about the view while in a state of self-deception.
It would be better to concentrate on the gradual path.

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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby Malcolm » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:41 pm

rai wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
dakini_boi wrote:Oh, I thought it was the ojas that was important. Do shukra and ojas have different roles in tummo, or do they act together as the basis for bliss?

Also, what is the relationship between bindu and ojas?



In tummo, what is important is bliss.

There are different kinds of bindu. The most basic bindu is the bindu of pranavayu in the heart. The so called "bodhicitta" that circulates in the body is actually ojas.

Sukra acts as the basis for bliss.


is there a connection between sukra and being joyful or depressed for normal people (not a yogis)? thank you


Only if they are are losing ojas. The main thing that depletes ojas however, is mental worry and stress.

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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby dakini_boi » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:30 am

Does shukra get converted to ojas?

If so, why is shukra considered a waste product?
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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

Postby Lhug-Pa » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:30 am

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Re: Ojas, Shukra & Tummo

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