Samatha v. vipassana?

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Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:21 am

Greetings Geoff,

Thanks for sharing these insightful words from Bhikkhu Nanananda... he is always a pleasure to read. One of only two modern authors of whom I can say I agree with (or at least don't disagree with) virtually everything they've said.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Samatha v. vipassana?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:50 am

Greetings,

:goodpost:

"in the realm of ideation"

Bhikkhu Nanananda is cool. 8-)

Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Samatha v. vipassana?

Postby Jack » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:32 pm

My view is that there are two functional meanings of concept. The concept “ox cart” in one sense is not an ultimate because it can be broken down into parts such as wheels, sides, etc., by discursive reasoning.

However, the concept “ox cart” that arises during meditation and then passes away can be different. This “ox cart” is an object of consciousness just as a sound is an object of hearing. Without applying imagination or discursive reasoning to it, it is opaque in a sense and cannot be broken down into parts. It stands alone without a referent behind it. Without discursive reasoning applied to it, it is an ultimate. It is a valid object of vipassana meditation where one could realize “ox cart” as transient, selfless and ultimately unsatisfactory.I think this applies whether one looks through the lens of the suttas, Abhid. or practical experience.

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