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Bare attention v. Clear comprehension

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Bare attention v. Clear comprehension

Postby Spiny Norman » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:47 am

I'm not getting the difference between these two aspects of mindfulness. Can anyone explain it simply?
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Re: Bare attention v. Clear comprehension

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Postby chownah » Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:42 pm

Alex123,
interesting post.....can you elaborate on even animals having bare attention?
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Re: Bare attention v. Clear comprehension

Postby Alex123 » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:16 pm

In short,

attention in "bare attention" seems to be more of "manasikāra" rather than sati. manasikāra (attention) is an indispensible factor of any cognition present in every state of consciousness. Suttas do sometimes define sati as "memory" and IMHO it is a memory, non-forgetfulness of Dhamma (kāya, vedanā, citta, Triple characteristic, DO).

This is why perhaps while attention in and of itself is ethically neutral, sati is always wholesome (functional for arahants). Sati arises when there are causes and conditions for its arising, performs its function and ceases as all conscious states do.
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