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Beginner's question about reincarnation.

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Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Riverbend » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:34 pm

As I wrote in the Introduction section, I have recently a renewed appreciation for Buddhism after about a decade immersed in Taoism. I have a question about reincarnation/re-birth. First of all, are they the same thing? But mostly, I read somewhere recently that the idea we are re-born as animals is an over-simplification of the truth, which is that we are re-born into various states of mind; that our consciousness disperses at death and reforms as a new life. Is that accurate?

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Moggalana » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:05 pm

I'm sure others will provide you with good answers and more links. For a start: http://goodquestiongoodanswer.net/gqga_rebirth.html
Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Riverbend » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:12 pm

Thank you. That seems to support what I read before. So rather than being reborn as animals we are, in the Buddhist view, reborn into different states. Are these mental states or physical realms we inhabit?
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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Moggalana » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:44 pm

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Riverbend » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:55 pm

Did Buddha speak about the matter directly? Where can I find what he said?

(Thanks for your time and efforts answering my questions.)
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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Moggalana » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:01 pm

Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Stiphan » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:03 pm

Hi riverbend,

May I recommend these ten lecture series, which I'm sure will be a big help for you as a beginner:

http://www.bodhimonastery.net/bm/about- ... it-is.html



Best wishes.

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Riverbend » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:06 pm

Thank you. My personal feeling is closer to the mental states interpretation. I'd be able to leave it there except for one personal experience that means I can't dismiss the idea of rebirth. Not that it matters really. It won't make any difference to how I try to live the life I have now.

And thanks, Stefan: I'll plough through that information.
I think the carrot infinitely more fascinating than the geranium. The carrot has mystery. Flowers are essentially tarts. Prostitutes for the bees. There is you'll agree a certain je ne se quoi oh so very special about a firm young carrot. [Uncle Monty -- Withnail & I.]

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:21 pm

Riverbend, a good research site is Accesstoinsight.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-subject.html
http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby cooran » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:06 pm

Hello Riverbend,

In order to understand the Buddha's teachings on Rebecoming (rebirth), it is necessary to understand His teachings on Anatta.
That is, all that "you" consist of is an everchanging process of kammic accumulations and latent tendencies. No ongoing unchanging self/soul.

Anatta ~ Bhikkhu Bodhi ~ What is it that is 'reborn'?
http://www.beyondthenet.net/dhamma/notself.htm

Does Rebirth Make Sense? - Bhikkhu Bodhi
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... ay_46.html

Rebirth - Bhikhu Bodhi
http://www.beyondthenet.net/dhamma/rebirth.htm

Dhamma without Rebirth - Bhikkhu Bodhi
http://www.vipassana.com/resources/bodh ... ebirth.php

Rebirth suttas
~The skillfulness of one's actions in life determine one's destination after death: Dhp 17, Dhp 18, Dhp 240
~Causes of favorable or unfavorable ~: MN 135, AN 3.65, Dhp 310, Dhp 316
~How to gain rebirth as an elephant or a horse: AN 10.177
~The laws of kamma and ~ are as inviolable as the law of gravity: SN 42.6
`What's so bad about being reborn?: SN 5.6
~Why not just settle for rebirth among the devas?: SN 5.7
~The preciousness of our human birth: SN 20.2, SN 56.48
~ witnessed by Buddha on the night of his Awakening
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-su ... ml#rebirth

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Riverbend » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:37 pm

I think the carrot infinitely more fascinating than the geranium. The carrot has mystery. Flowers are essentially tarts. Prostitutes for the bees. There is you'll agree a certain je ne se quoi oh so very special about a firm young carrot. [Uncle Monty -- Withnail & I.]

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

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Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi is Cool :bow:

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:15 pm

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Riverbend » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:18 am

I think the carrot infinitely more fascinating than the geranium. The carrot has mystery. Flowers are essentially tarts. Prostitutes for the bees. There is you'll agree a certain je ne se quoi oh so very special about a firm young carrot. [Uncle Monty -- Withnail & I.]

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:22 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Beginner's question about reincarnation.

Postby Riverbend » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:10 am

It is interesting to see where there are similarities with Taoism. At least in this regard the two overlap.
I think the carrot infinitely more fascinating than the geranium. The carrot has mystery. Flowers are essentially tarts. Prostitutes for the bees. There is you'll agree a certain je ne se quoi oh so very special about a firm young carrot. [Uncle Monty -- Withnail & I.]


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