Conceptuality in Buddhism

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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

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Got it!

Over and out!
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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

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Sergeant Schultz knew everything there was to know.

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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

Postby Dechen Norbu » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:40 pm

Academic discussion forum, fellows... at least please provide the rationale for your assertions. :smile:

I don't want to be a drag, but we really need to raise the standards a little. Otherwise there's no point in having this forum.

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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

Postby LastLegend » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:47 pm

Conceptual thinking + grasping is the problem. The purpose of DO is to dismantle this particular habit.
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

Postby tobes » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:00 am

You make an interesting point about The Heart Sutra.....

but it's not really clear to me why we should rely more on the Mahayana sutras rather than the Pali suttas.

What are your reasons for that?

After all, it is only the latter in which an actual Buddha is actually discoursing with his human disciples - surely that is potentially more revealing on this question, and surely Nagarjuna is interested in giving an account of that.

Otherwise, we're sort of playing this game where we have to pretend that there never was a historical Buddha talking to historical people - replacing that with a more mystical or abstract idea of a buddha who never has an empirical context.

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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

Postby tobes » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:04 am

As an aside, at a few different points in this thead - including the posts which were moved from the prasangika thread - I have alluded to a palpable distinction between Nagarjuna and Chandrakirti....two figures who are unreflectively often taken (canonically and academically) as espousing precisely the same view.

It just so happens that I read an excellent article this afternoon on the matter, so if you're interested in pursuing it, PM me and I'll send it to you.

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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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