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Samatha v. vipassana?

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Samatha v. vipassana?

Postby Spiny Norman » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:07 am

Could you say in a nutshell how you see the essential difference between samatha and vipassana?
I've been thinking of it as the difference between samadhi and sati ( concentration v. mindfulness ), but after some reading around I'm not as clear as I thought I was. Thanks in anticipation. :smile:

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Re: Samatha v. vipassana?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:25 am

Greetings Porpoise,

To me, samatha is mental calm or tranquility, whereas vipassana is investigation into experience.

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Re: Samatha v. vipassana?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:40 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Samatha v. vipassana?

Postby Goedert » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:06 am

Hello friend,

Actually samadhi and vipassana are Pali term (shamatha and vipayshana is the Sanskrit term).

Hope it helps your understanding.

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Re: Samatha v. vipassana?

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:51 pm

Sati leads to samadhi, in both samatha and vipassana (that is samatha and vipassana as method, not result).

In vipassana (as method) however the samadhi leads to insight (panna). This is sammasamadhi.

Strictly speaking vipassana can be only said to start when the tilakkhana begins to manifest (vipassana as result). Anything below that may simply be leading to samatha samadhi, whatever the external technique used.

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Re: Samatha v. vipassana?

Postby smokey » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:21 pm

I would say Samatha Meditation leads to Tranquility and Calm and prepares the mind for Vipassana Meditation. Vipassana Meditation leads to Insight into the Nature of Reality.

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Re: Samatha v. vipassana?

Postby rowyourboat » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:35 pm

Samadhi is unification of mind or concentration of mind. One pointed concentration leads to samatha (tranquility) samadhi (ie unfication of mind through a calming, focusing process). However a more aware mind state, often using multiple objects that arise and pass away also gives rise to what has been called vipassana samadhi. But these are later classifications which have some roots in the suttas (samadhi sutta).
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Re: Samatha v. vipassana?

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:02 pm

Mindfulness and the description of the objects of mindfulness (ie- Satipatthana) is a precursor to both samatha and vipassana states of mind. It falls into either camp simply by how the mindfulness is wielded. If the mindfulness is relatively unthinking and concentrated, focused on one object then it is more on the samatha side of the spectrum. However if it is more intelligent, more 'switched on', focused more on seeing characteristics of phenomena rather than the caught up with the content of phenomena in an unthinking way, then it is more towards the vipassana end of the spectrum.

I think the objects of satipatthana give rise to both- that is how Right Mindfulness can lead to Right concentration (which often defined as the four jhanas) as well as insight (Right widom of the arahanth).

This sutta gives us clues about the noble eightfold path givgin rise to samatha and vipasana.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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