End Times NWO stuff

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Re: End Times NWO stuff

Postby padma norbu » Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:06 am

Found more about Rosicrucians discussing the baptism of fire and quoting several verses in the Bible. Interesting. Basically "spirit born of fire" refers to a spiritual baptism, the sort which apparently happened to people like Jesus.
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Re: End Times NWO stuff

Postby padma norbu » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:47 pm

I was this close to joining AMORC... since their headquarters is right here in Manhattan, but instead opted to join a highly-recommended mail course of BOTA instead, feeling that I didn't really want to get too close to these weirdos (AMORC is also a mail course, btw, but they have a place right near Union Square, too). Well, after a couple years, next thing you know I was attending their events at the Masonic Hall on 23rd street and went on to rub elbows with local A.'.A.'. and OTO members. The opinion of the AA/OTO members is that BOTA and AMORC are not really that great because they don't tell you all the secrets or you have to wait way too long. Paul Foster Case wrote the book "True And Invisible Rosicrucian Order" and I have the book, so BOTA was certainly AMORC-friendly.

Heruka, if you know something I don't about spirit born of fire, which I may have merely forgotten, please let me know via PM or something. I went through a "chaos magic" phase where I experimented with all sorts of things and the technique was basically "set it and forget it." In other words, I intentionally forgot what I did. I am an initiate of BOTA, which is supposedly a life-long commitment, so I am connected with their egregore even though I haven't paid dues in years.
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Re: End Times NWO stuff

Postby Lhug-Pa » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:35 pm

I'll try to reply here more later when having access to a better keyboard; but for now, Max Heindel is NOT "AMORC". "AMORC" is a black lodge that was founded by Spencer Lewis.

The Rosicrucian Fellowship teachings of Max Heindel are much more in alignment with those of Rudolf Steiner (Misraim Rite Gnostic Masonry), Huiracocha (F.R.A.), Samael Aun Weor (F.R.A.-influenced), Dion Fortune (old school Golden Dawn of S.L. MacGregor Mathers and Wynn Westcott), and Manly P. Hall (who was a true Masonic Adept, which is why many contemporary materialist Freemasons criticize him so much).

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Postby Lhug-Pa » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:58 pm

The authentic O.T.O. teachings are the teachings of Huiracocha and Franz Hartmann (not Bardon).

All those O.T.O. lodges who follow Aleister Crowley's teachings are black lodges.

Anyhow, Manly P.Hall and Huiracocha gave the most advanced teachings on Gnostic Rosicrucian Alchemical Fire Baptism. Read the former's short books called Hermetic Marriage and Melchizedek and the Mystery of Fire. They both agree with Samael Aun Weor's teachings 100%.

In fact, some very interesting links found in this quote from Arnold Krumm-Heller (Huiracocha):

http://gnostic-community.org/forum/view ... 10&#p11362

Manly P. Hall did write in his book on Tarot that Paul Foster Case's books are worthy of attention. Manly P. Hall also mentioned Papus without really saying anything positive or negative about him. Now Aleister Crowley's teachings are from the lineage of Papus and Jules Doinel from what I understand.

Samael Aun Weor wrote that the teachings of Papus are legitimate black magic; but Samael Aun Weor referred on the other hand to Manly P. Hall 33° as a very Wise Kabbalist.
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Re: End Times NWO stuff

Postby Malcolm » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:01 pm

Honestly, who cares about any of this stuff?

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Re: End Times NWO stuff

Postby Lhug-Pa » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:09 pm

Haha I knew you were going to say something like that. :lol:

Yeah I try not to get caught up in it too much these days, although it's interesting to talk about sometimes, and if I happen to be around when people are talking about it I don't mind sharing what I've learned.

Anyway, I'd better get back to cleaning the house and studying The Precious Vase. :reading: :thinking: :meditate:

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Re: End Times NWO stuff

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Postby Lhug-Pa » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:02 pm

And these types of 'self immolation' practices like some Roman Catholic monks do are contrary to the teachings of the White Lodge & teachings of the Buddha.

Aleister Crowley also had some of his students physically cutting themselves too. :roll:

There's also another Dharmawheel thread here, I'll have to find it, where someone mentioned that Aleister Crowley ended up actually denouncing the teachings of the Buddha.
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Re: End Times NWO stuff

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Re: End Times NWO stuff

Postby Lhug-Pa » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:12 pm

Where's the STRAW-MAN emoticon when you need it? :shrug:

It's not like we're talking about the teachings of Elizabeth Clare Prophet's group or Violet Flame group here, or something like that.

Although, I do think that the 'AMORC' fits the fast-food-'spirituality' bill.
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Re: End Times NWO stuff

Postby padma norbu » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:25 pm

Thought I would throw it out there and figured the responses would be about like this. No more commentary from me, then.
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Re: End Times NWO stuff

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Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: End Times NWO stuff

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Re: End Times NWO stuff

Postby Lhug-Pa » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:09 pm

Although to clarify, Namdrol, Heterosexual Sex is the Crux of Daath or Da'ath, the Hermetic Marriage or Fire Baptism (Schamayim) related to the Gnostic method regarding the creation of the Solar Bodies through Karmamudra.

So I was mostly referring to only one of those two said "Aleister Crowley degrees".

This being said, Heterosexual Sex is certainly a good thing (and I mean good as in objectively good, not "good" as in anything related to subjective moral conditioning or lack thereof).
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Re: End Times NWO stuff

Postby padma norbu » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:40 pm

"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron

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Re: End Times NWO stuff

Postby Dechen Norbu » Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:20 am

Ill informed too, don't forget that part.

When Buddhism traveled to the West and became more accessible, all TS orientalist teachings became utterly obsolete. There you find misconceptions one after another, poor interpretations, confusion, crude mistakes, you name it. That is widely known.

All the occult and esoteric sects I know, and I spent a few years looking, are rubbish. My brother went deep in this sort of stuff and I ended up having a lot of access to books, practitioners and so on and so forth, plus some information that is not easy to come by. In the end it's rubbish. Philosophically shoddy and intellectually poor. The methods are sterile and lead nowhere (although the psychiatric ward is always a possible end).


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