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A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

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Without attachment but there are concepts. They are not going anywhere.
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

Postby Grigoris » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:40 am

Dear "RichardLinde",

Your obsession with the non-omniscience of the Buddha was dealt with in this thread viewtopic.php?f=66&t=5911&start=80 so there is no need for you to keep flogging the dead horse. Why don't we try to keep this topic on course? ie let's talk about conceptuality in Buddhism, or what you are essentially positing, the conceptual mind of the Buddha.
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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

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May I ask a question, is there a base from where concepts start? Or a time when they start?

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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

Postby LastLegend » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:56 am

Actually when I said that I was referring to our practice.
NAMO AMITABHA
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Re: Conceptuality in Buddhism

Postby Mr. G » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:12 pm

Buddhas do not have conceptual thought:

As a result of intense vows and the development of compassion while following the Bodhisattva path to full Buddhahood, upon achieving the state of a Buddha it is no longer necessary actually to apprehend beings themselves in order to help them. Through aeons of practice, compassion has become automatic, in fact spontaneous. In achieving Buddhahood the ability to help has been perfected too. None of this requires actually apprehending any person who is helped, or indeed any situations requiring help. As we have seen in looking at the 'Perfection of Wisdom' literature, a Bodhisattva who sees a being who is actually helped is roundly declared by the Buddha to be no true Bodhisattva at all.

- Professor Paul Williams - Mahayana Buddhism: The Doctrinal Foundations (2nd ed)

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Re: Madyamika Sautrantika vs Prasangika

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa


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