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With right awareness any object is right object - Dhamma Wheel

With right awareness any object is right object

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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With right awareness any object is right object

Postby Alex123 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:24 pm

Hello all,


Do you agree with the phrase:

"With right awareness or mindfulness (yoniso manasikāro, sati), any object is the right object"
"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

Postby clw_uk » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:26 pm

Yes since through awareness you are observing the three characteristics in the dhammas that arise and fall in that awareness. This can be feeling, thoughts, heat, cold etc etc
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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:44 am

I think the unexplained subtext of Alex's question is whether insight is possible when the object is a concept. Generally, conceptual objects such as metta, kasinas, or breath nimittas are classified as samatha objects (and the above-mentioned are some that are said to lead to jhana). Insight practises generally focus on "realities" such as elements, aggregates, and so on (though initially one will be focussing on the concept of "foot moving", rather than the wind element).

So, I interpret the question to possibly be: "Can focussing on a conceptual object lead to insight, or is it always just a precursor to build concentration?"

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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

Postby Kenshou » Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:05 pm

Well, since concepts are clingable phenonema, subject to the three characteristics, why couldn't they be potential objects of insight? What harm would come from it?

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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

Postby altar » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:57 pm

Hi Mike,
What is the ground for calling metta, kasinas, and breath nimitta "concepts?" In particular metta I find hard to categorize this way. If someone speaks with metta they are not speaking with a concept. If someone acts with metta they are not acting with a concept. Or do you think they are?
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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

Postby Alex123 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:08 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: With right awareness any object is right object

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."


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