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Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:42 pm

Oracle: 'I promise when you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain'

When does Neo finish eating the cookie? Does it ever rain in the 'desert of the real'?

The answers to those questions will help you a little :)
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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:46 pm

(clue, it's about how the Oracle perceives causality). Not exactly a Koan, there's a simple answer but you need to flip your mind a little :) I don't want to give all the answers!

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There are no machines (a la 'there is no spoon') :)

Anyway, the riddle is blindingly obvious. The Oracle doesn't 'see into the future' per say, she remembers it. That's why she can't 'see' past choices she doesn't understand. The Oracle represents time running backwards. Notice each time you see her baking cookies she's a step behind? The first time you see her she's just finished (and gives one to Neo), the next time she's a step behind, and so on. So, when 'Neo was done eating it' (which is never shown in our time frame) was before he visited the oracle. In the oracle's time frame, that's afterwards. Incidentally, it never appears to rain in the 'real world', whereas rain features heavily in the Matrix construct.

Anyway, the Oracle puzzle (which goes much deeper than this) begs the question about determinism. Remember, Morpheus asks Neo why he doesn't believe in Fate? The Oracle explains that causality depends on yourself (know yourself). The outcomes of events are completely determined by your own choices, but you've already made them... you just have to understand them to unravel causality. Sounds to me like the Buddha seeing the fine workings of Kamma. Mindfulness vs the autopilot most (if not all) live with. A dream being observed in the first person. Breathe in, breathe out... but rarely even noticed.

The films don't really give answers, they're more a discursive tool, an exploration. I'm sure you can project any meaning onto them. I rather think the Dhamma fits well.

The problem is choice.

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Postby Mawkish1983 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:37 am

I wouldn't say it 'doesn't exist', but it's not as simple a beast as people perceive. The very fact that time (and space) is not constant in the universe is enough to blow the minds of many people without any physics training. I've seen some interesting philosophical theories about antiparticles being particles for which 'time' is in reverse... and given what QFT says charge is, it sounds reasonable.

Anyway, watching it again (yes, yesterday whilst my wife was in hospital I did a Matrix session again), it's said the oracle 'views the world without time'. Determinism (and Fate) vs Choice. I don't think the films are supposed to take a position either way, they just explore the contact between the two.

Incidentally, next time you watch it keep an eye open for any numbers you see. Very interesting :)

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This is the scene where Neo cuts through the fabric of samsara.



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Postby pererin » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:50 pm

Isn't it interesting how Gotama is represented in this clip as addressing Mara as "Architect"?

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Well, of course, Keanu Reeves did feature in both films ...

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