Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

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Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Mandarava » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:41 pm

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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Pero » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:31 pm

Thanks for sharing. I haven't found it shocking though I was a little bit surprised he was an alcoholic/drug addict for a while. I wish him luck and hope he can succeed in restructuring.
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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby catmoon » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:40 am

Holy Moses.



I was thinking, while watching the video, "Here are the seeds of greatness". Most of the people i know who have had the problems he has had wound up filled with anger at the world. This guy is different.

If they ever decide to elect the Dalai Lamas, he'll get a vote from me!
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Postby Jangchup Donden » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:47 am

emaho :bow:
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Postby Konchog1 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:00 am

catmoon wrote:Holy Moses.



I was thinking, while watching the video, "Here are the seeds of greatness". Most of the people i know who have had the problems he has had wound up filled with anger at the world. This guy is different.

If they ever decide to elect the Dalai Lamas, he'll get a vote from me!
Agreed. Even Milarepa killed his relatives.
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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:53 am

Now that takes guts!!!

Well done kalu rinpoche!
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Postby Sönam » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:02 am

the information is no more available ...
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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Clarence » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:39 am

Sonam,

I just looked and it was still there. If you can't view it, he said he was sexually abused when he was 12 or 13 and some years after that his tutor tried to kill him. When he came out of 3-year retreat he became an alcoholic and drug addict and now he wants to restructure his institutions. He also kept repeating that he is just a normal human being.

Sad but not surprising. He has a voice but I have no doubt sexual abuse happens a lot in Tibetan monasteries and those other boys don't have voices. Good for him to speak out.

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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:48 am

The video is still there for me too.
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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby AlexanderS » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:05 pm

Shocking for him and the perpetrator. Must say, some of these scandals like this and the karmapa controrversy makes it difficult to have faith and trust in some of these institutions.
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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Sönam » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:35 pm

Thanks Clarence ... but still not visible for me.
About the way he want to reform, if we considere the cleaning he has done in Kagyü Ling (1000 Buddhas) he was totaly right, I knew all that stuff about the management before he came and was positively surprized in went into it so swiftly. What he has done is a good thing.
He his a normal being, and his blog give normal "dharma" messages, adapted to modern life + he is strongly supported by Taï Situ Rinpoché. My opinion is that it's positive for dharma that he is in charge.

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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Mandarava » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:15 pm

Sonam,

I'll have a go at transcribing it for you but it is still there.It's on both of Rinpoche's Facebook pages.

''Hi dear friends it was nice to have you back in this moment and talk with you and I'm so sorry that this is not really high quality video.It's just a face book video.Well anyway, I just wanted to tell you about my life,life story in a few minutes. Urrm....you know like when I was, you know like many people thinks that Rinpoche did live in a luxury life and everything.Or you know like luxury life and always like enjoying being,never being unhappy or most things like that.And some people think that Rinpoche's are like you know more than human beings.Well then, whatever you name them it's like for me there.... for me the meaning of a Guru is about his understanding about the life and you know I love my root Guru, but he's not more than a human being he's an extraordinary human being and errrrr you know, just to let you know about my life *sniffs* my life story like when I was a kid you know I was living like a Prince till I was 9. You know errrr many people thinks that all the Rinpoche's has a same level life but all the Rinpoche's they have a middle class,the luxury class, the errr the lowest class, you know like the ( can't make out what he say here ) So like I was living in the best life of Rinpoche.When my father was alive I was living like a Prince sleeping,eating,playing games all the time.When I was 9 my father passed away and errrr I had a very difficult life you know.People thinks that Kalu Rinpoche always lived in a very comfortable life.That's what all people been thinking of because the previous Kalu Rinpoche he was popular. For me my father past away I was transported to different Monastery and errrr when I was like 12 and 13 I've been sexually abused by other monks......so for me I don't believe in monks so much you know, so you know and when I was 15 I did 3 years retreat from the guidance of my Root Guru you know and then like errrm.............and I did 3 years retreat and no body cares about me so much you know.Nobody knows where I am,how I am you know and after 3 years retreat, all the people are interested because you know they kind of think that I have this great qualification and something which I can remember about my past life *frowns rolls eyes* errrrr and it's nothing like that.And then some people just said I kick out from I, when I came out from my Monastery errr no no I mean when I came out from the 3 year retreat I mean. When I came out from 3 years retreat err and many people were making roomer's and saying that I kicked out my mother, my family errrr and you know, I kicked out my own teacher.Actually it's nothing ike that.My own Tutor, he tried to kill me, that's the truth and I was at that time I was really traditional.Very good traditional Buddhist practitioner.They tried to kill me because you know, I am not doing what they want me to do.You know it's * sighs* that time I was really really good you know.A traditional person you know and then he tried to kill me with the knife and everything and it was a shocking moment for me.And after that he left because when he realised about his own mistake how can he still live with me. So he left, I never kicked out anybody.I had a family misunderstanding for 2 years and a half, and recently like 6 months ago, I had a family reconnection and everything is good and after that errrrrm you know well when I was 18 I had all these big problems you know when one manager tried to kill me and everything ( mutters something not sure what ) It's all about money,power, controlling because if you can control the president, you can get what you want.That's the way it is and errrr you know and then I became a drug addict because of all this misunderstanding and you know I went crazy. I became an alcoholic, I became a drug addict. I did lots of crazy things but not the bad things and errrr then after that I asked my root Guru you know what is going on with my life I don't know because I see all these Buddhist people who are not Buddhist.They look like a Buddhist and they sound like a Buddhist and they act like a Buddhist and I am so confused.He said Rinpoche you have the capacity to change the structure in your own lineage in your Buddhist organisation.So that's why I'm trying to do, trying to build a school and to build my own structure for the poor people because for me the Buddhism and all this religious organisation, spiritual organisation it's all about how to protect the society, how to protect the environment, how to protect our self.How to be afar from the weakness,how to understand the tru meaning of point.And so you know errr....I will do whatever is best for society so that's why I plan to build a school and my life it's not easy.Theres lots of people who doesn't like me and theres lots of people who likes me.Weather you like it or not of who I am it doesn't change in the person who I am. So I will do everything I can I'm my responsibility's but the structure needs to be changed and the Buddhas teachings has to get involved in our personal life.It doesn't mean that you have to get away from your family.Stop thinking about sentient being if you can't help your own family.So first to be responsible is really important you know and errrr * big sigh* I don't want Buddhism to get involved in business politics no, I want Buddhism to bring a beautiful image to society and to understand society.That my point of view and wish me the best for my project, for my school which I can do the best for the society. And I'm just a normal human being even you live with me like 1,000 years I will still tell you, I'm just a human being. I always will be and no one is perfect ,everyone is perfect. Anyways all of you people take care and I'm happy with my life.I'm not going to change the way I am and errrrr *whispers* I'm not going to change who I am. I'm happy I am and at the end I can be myself now.So I wish for all of you, don't fall into confusion, don't fall into confusion about this O.K.If you want to be a Buddhist all you need is the one person who has a spiritual understanding life experience as I've told you many times. I'm so sorry for the cars running here there * points* because I'm outside.Take care, I love you very much and I'm happy don't worry'' * smiles and waves*
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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Mandarava » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:25 pm

Hope you can understand it. I wrote it exactly as Rinpoche said it. :thinking:
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Postby treehuggingoctopus » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:30 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:Now that takes guts!!!

Well done kalu rinpoche!
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One hell of an admirable Rinpoche He is. :bow:
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Postby Sönam » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:40 pm

Mandarava wrote:Hope you can understand it. I wrote it exactly as Rinpoche said it. :thinking:


:bow: thanks Mandarava ...

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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Mandarava » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:58 pm

Sönam wrote:
Mandarava wrote:Hope you can understand it. I wrote it exactly as Rinpoche said it. :thinking:


:bow: thanks Mandarava ...

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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Paul » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:54 pm

That is truly terrible. I wish I could say I was surprised.

Kalu Rinpoche has talked about this kind of thing before here: http://www.paldenshangpa.net/2011/04/br ... in-france/
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Postby Jinzang » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:58 pm

Certainly it's admirable to admit you have a problem. But wouldn't have been better not to have had the problem in the first place?
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Re: Kalu Rinpoche shocking news!

Postby Mr. G » Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:33 pm

Jinzang wrote:Certainly it's admirable to admit you have a problem. But wouldn't have been better not to have had the problem in the first place?


Now that we're done judging him having walked in his shoes, I'll get the tar, and you get the feathers. :stirthepot:
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Postby kirtu » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:05 am

Paul wrote:That is truly terrible. I wish I could say I was surprised.

Kalu Rinpoche has talked about this kind of thing before here: http://www.paldenshangpa.net/2011/04/br ... in-france/


Well I am surprised. Clearly there are problems in the institutions. However he himself as a teacher has to make sure that he has cleaned up his act - alcohol and drug addiction - he may (or may not) have overstated the problem. NOTE: I'm not tarring and feathering him at all.

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