alwayson wrote:The utopias you guys want will only ever be unrealistic fantasies.
Minimal economic and social justice is an unrealistic fantasy? They are not utopias but Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Holland and Switzerland are functional nations (as are Canada and New Zealand).
You want government instead of private corporations?
We already tried it. Its called Stalin.
This is a dualistic oversimplification. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Holland and Switzerland are not Stalinist states (neither are Canada or New Zealand).
The choice is not private corporations OR government with an excluded middle. Mixed market economies are the reality everywhere, including to some extent in the US. However private corporations have to perform a valid service to society.