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The way that I found into boundless space - vipassana

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The way that I found into boundless space - vipassana

Postby whitewedding » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:56 pm

Hey guys...

OK - so this isn't like the usual way of getting to boundless space which is through samatha but it's definiately boundless and space (not black or anything - just spacial awareness). The suttas say that sariputta attains boundless space by discerning all objects and finding there causes and hence discovering the way out which agrees with this approach.

So here's how I do it (well - done it - you don't need to do the initial stages after you've found the later)...

Firstly I label everything - as many new pieces of sensory information as possible like normal vipassana.
Now - it's natural for when labeling for the mind to label one object, drop out as it passes and label the next. However, I stick with reality as the object passes and follow the movement of focus onto the next object - labelling this.
As you label the flow of focus in between more then the mind detaches from it. It is a wave of focus which contains spacial awareness. It also may contain little nimmita which correspond to the sense (like proto-sense).
Now I switch concentration more and more to the flow of focus and less to the objects it rushes to. I do this until I am continually with the flow of focus (but I still am with the senses).
Now I specify my labelling to just the spacial movement and posistion of the focus. So my labelling is like: "round there", "through there", "over there" etc. etc. This has the effect of switching your attention purely to the focus and and not to nimmita or sense. This allows the focus to escape the senses and as it does so it starts to shoot out miles away. I also label these - like "out there" etc.
You can then do it more sammtha stlye and drop the momentary concentration into a continuous flow or go into a concentration on a point "lightyears" away (hard though - the space needs to be pretty pure to do this.)

With metta,
Steve :-)

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Re: The way that I found into boundless space - vipassana

Postby whitewedding » Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:11 pm

OK - I've found a good way to purify space now...
Above I said that "as the waves of focus shoot out miles" I would note "out there". Well (although I don't actually verbally note it) now I only note this - so I am no longer aware of the flow of focus to the destination point in space - only aware of the point of space that it reaches.

I am absolutely certain now that this is boundless space - for 3 reasons:

i) pure spacial perception is pure spacial perception - there isn't "another type" of spacial perception - if it's spacial perception it's the only spacial perception.

ii) Currently this only occurs in the space nearby me but space becomes "full" - it's like it "glows" (not with light or anything - "full" is a better description but "glows" is the 1st thing you'd say). So I figured that the stuff that makes space glow is "consciousness". I have checked this up and "boundless consciousness" is in fact when "boundless space" glows (but with the glow filling up the entire universe - which is beyond me atm (man that would be good - boundless space is lovely and pure and everything - but when it glows it's beautiful - infinitely better)).

iii) Also after checking it up I find that boundless space is not "being aware of the entire universe" - it's having unlimited perceptional range of space - which is what the experience of this is. (NB - these "quotes"/"check ups" come from "Mastering the core teachings of the buddha" on the section under boundless space/consciousness).


Boundless space might seem way off but it might actually not be. I'd been aware of these waves of focus for the past few weeks (as I said - all that is required for that is to hold concentration after the dissolution of a momentary object) but as soon as I decided to switch attention entirely to them I very quickly (in the space of maybe 10 - 30 minutes) gained unlimited perceptional range. It wasn't that pure then - I've been gradually purifying it (by the above method) during the last week and it has now become very pure. So yeah - It might not actually take that long to get there if you use this method.

This meditation has good after-effects to - It causes you 2 live (to a certain extent) in the space around your thoughts/feelings etc. and not inside them (your still with them - but more outside them).

Best of luck,
With metta,
Steve :-)

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Re: The way that I found into boundless space - vipassana

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:21 pm

Goodness; more stuff of which to let go.

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Re: The way that I found into boundless space - vipassana

Postby whitewedding » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:31 pm

I also have another way of purifying space which comes after the above way.
In this one I have the last technique - so all I'm doing is noting points in space. Except this time - after I note a point I go and refind the point (i.e. I instruct my mind to keep doing this - I don't actually do it - the waves of focus do - you can't try and do it - that creates headfuk) and hold a small samatha meditation on it (for - I dunno - 1/4 second to a second maybe). I make sure I know that some wave is gonna knock me off before it actually comes and leave the point and note the next one (otherwise I would be slightly knocked back down into sense ("matter")).
This is probably the best way of purifying the space that I've found so far - it makes the space experience much more continuous and trains greater concentration and mental control. I guess the ""little samathas are good practice for eventually doing the closed focus meditation on the "base of boundless space" as well.

Metta,
Steve.

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Re: The way that I found into boundless space - vipassana

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Re: The way that I found into boundless space - vipassana

Postby Goofaholix » Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:39 am

I recommend that you spend some time with a teacher.

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Re: The way that I found into boundless space - vipassana

Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:53 am

Seconded. Although I suspect that whitewedding may have issues that will be difficult for a teacher to deal with.

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