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"discourses of the buddha series" which one first?

Postby dhammastudier » Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:28 am

Digha Nikaya long discourses

Majjhima Nikaya medium-length discourses

Samyutta Nikaya connected discourses.

i wanted these for sooooooooooooo long! too expensive, then out of print for a little while so used copies were even higher. now i'm getting them for my birthday from my loving family! which one should i read first? or all at once? i have a general idea about what each one's purpose was but thought someone on here might have a suggestion :smile:

also the disciples of the buddha book. should i get it? does it have their teachings or just stories about them?

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Re: "discourses of the buddha series" which one first?

Postby Ben » Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:45 am

What I would do first Zac is to read MN in conjunction with Bhikkhu Bodhi's mp3 lecture series on the MN, available at Bodhi Monastery (google the web address). You could then read the SN and DN either after completing the MN, or in tandem with the MN. But certainly making the MN the first port of call and in conjunction with Bhante's lecture series will give you a firm foundation of the Dhamma. You should also look at taking advantage of the discussion threads in the study group: viewforum.php?f=25 which has until recently focused on suttas from the MN.

Great Disciples of the Buddha is excellent. The biographies of the great disciples were compiled by Helmeth Hecker, Nyanaponika Thera and Bhikkhu Bodhi from material in the canon and ancient commentarial literature. The material from those three luminaries are well research and make for some very inspiring reading as well as being a reference in its own right. Some of the individual biographies are available on www.accesstoinsight.org.
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Re: "discourses of the buddha series" which one first?

Postby Ben » Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:55 am

My pleasure!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Re: "discourses of the buddha series" which one first?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:00 am

Greetings,

I would recommend starting with either the Samyutta Nikaya or the Majjhima Nikaya.

If you know that eventually you'll get through all 3, start with the SN.

If you're less than confident that you'll eventually get through all 3, start with the MN.

If Bhikkhu's Bodhi's translation of the Anguttara Nikaya appears on the bookshelves before you get to the Digha Nikaya, prioritise that over the DN as well. Furthermore, collections within the Khuddaka Nikaya like the Dhammapada , Udana, Itivuttaka, Sutta Nipata, Theragatha and Therigatha are also worth prioritising above the DN. English language translations of these texts are reasonably easy to come by.

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Re: "discourses of the buddha series" which one first?

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:39 pm

Why's everyone so down on the DN? It was the first one I read and contains quite a few of the most important suttas the Buddha gave.

1. Brahmajala Sutta
2. Samannaphala Sutta
15. Mahanidana Sutta
16. Mahaparinibbana Sutta
22. Mahasatipatthana Sutta
31. Sigalovada Sutta

For me it provided a firm grasp and understanding of the Dhamma so that I could then move on to MN and SN rather easily.

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Re: "discourses of the buddha series" which one first?

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:08 pm

Regardless of which order one chooses to read them in, I am of the opinion one would be best to start with Bodhi's anthology In the Buddha's Words which is part of the Teachings of the Buddha series. I read this before starting the Nikaya's and it was instrumental in my understanding of the key doctrinal aspects of the Dhamma. There is no better introduction to the suttas than this book. I would have been lost without it.

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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- Ud 3.5


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Re: "discourses of the buddha series" which one first?

Postby Sobeh » Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:25 pm

I don't like the Digha simply because when I quote the Dhamma from it, I use ellipses like they're going out of style to trim out the narrative and mythological parts, and since that feels too much like shredding the thing I go elsewhere for my cites.

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Postby Agent » Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:26 pm

Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā.

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Re: "discourses of the buddha series" which one first?

Postby Reductor » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:25 am

Zac, pace yourself. The three that you have now, the DN MN and SN, will take you a good deal of time to read and comprehend. There are four large Nikayas: the three above and the AN, the Anguttara, the anthology of which you've mentioned. The anthology is less than a quarter of the whole collection... a complete translation of that collection, also by Bodhi, is hoped to be out in a years time, published by Wisdom. A years time is long enough for you to read most of the three you have, so do that and don't spend more money than you need to for books you aren't going to read anytime soon.

The khuddka is broken up into pieces and you'll have to buy this part and that to get it all. Again, don't fret to much, as the first few books are online at accesstoinsight.org . Search on google for Thanissaro's PDF version of the Ittivutaka. Go to http://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/T ... /index.htm for the Udana. Its pretty good - but has some quirky, and consistent, grammer issues. The meaning comes through alright though. You can order a copy of K.R Norman's "Group of Discourses" from amazon, and that's a translation of the Sutta Nipita. Its good reading.

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Postby dhammastudier » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:39 am

http://www.amazon.com/Anguttara-Nikaya- ... 773&sr=8-3

did a little digging and this book, according to reviewers, is the complete anguttara... but it's in pali! amazon says it's in english so i sent them an email asking what the deal is. just wanted to warn anyone who clicked that link and was like "sweet it's only fifteen dollars used..." which is what i was thinking...

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Mettāya,
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An electronic version of the entire Tipiṭaka in Pāḷi is also available:
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