Madyamika Sautrantika vs Prasangika

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Re: Madyamika Sautrantika vs Prasangika

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Re: Madyamika Sautrantika vs Prasangika

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


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Human life spent in
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Re: Madyamika Sautrantika vs Prasangika

Postby Mariusz » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:23 pm

Moreover, to be honest, and I'm sure many people here will not agree with it, I investigated this very "the seeming which is not totally faulty" is called Alaya-vijnana, that is to say. And I think it is not Shentong at all :smile:

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Re: Madyamika Sautrantika vs Prasangika

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Madyamika Sautrantika vs Prasangika

Postby tobes » Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:26 am

I think there is more at stake here than the inevitable Tsong Khapa vs everyone else Tibetan framing of the problem.

I'd agree that the way a Buddha perceives a given phenomenal object is devoid of any conceptual content.

But it doesn't matter how spontaneous a Buddha's interactions with sentient beings may be: if the Buddha speaks she is using concepts. Concepts which are necessarily conventional.

How could speech possibly be non-conceptual???

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Madyamika Sautrantika vs Prasangika

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Human life spent in
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— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Madyamika Sautrantika vs Prasangika

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


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Human life spent in
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— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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