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Life Sux

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Re: Life Sux

Postby acinteyyo » Sat May 29, 2010 11:11 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby bodom » Sat May 29, 2010 12:39 pm

Hi Acinteyyo,

I think you are taking Bodhi's words too literally. Bodhi did not "just" say say we are the aggregates. It is clear he did not. What he is saying is that whatever or whoever we believe we are, the sense of I, me and mine, arises solely because of the indentification with the aggregates. From where else would a sense of self arise? "We" are the aggregates. "I" am the aggregates. "You" are the aggregates.

He goes on to say "Whatever we identify with, whatever we hold to as our self, falls within the set of five aggregates. Together these five aggregates generate the whole array of thoughts, emotions, ideas, and dispositions in which we dwell, "our world."

I think Bodhi is very clear and I dont believe anyone after reading this particular section will leave feeling that Bodhi is advocating that "we" are the aggregates. At least I didn't.

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
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Re: Life Sux

Postby acinteyyo » Sat May 29, 2010 2:27 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby thecharmedbaja » Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:17 pm

Remember where the first Noble Truth leads - there is always a way out. I also noticed that you said life 'sux' - is that because some individuals believe the only way out is death; you can only become enlightened at death? Think of Gautama Buddha: he was able to teach for forty years after his enlightenment.

It depends how you make your life - i.e. whether or not you stick to the teachings, which can help you get out of unsatisfatoriness.

I have come across many non Buddhists who hold this view - life is rubbish and Buddhism is pessimistic - simply because they do not take into account the last two Noble Truths...

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'He is able who thinks he is able.' - The Buddha

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Re: Life Sux

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:05 pm

Life is all good and bad and in between- (still good?) ..and then you die (still good?)...and get reborn again (still good?) ..and again (still good) ..and again and again (still good) ..a hundred million times doing the same stuff all over again (still good?)

That is why it is unsatisfactory

To have a need to stop this cycle you accept an important part of Right view (the 'forerunner' of the path factors) - Rebirth.

Without right view there will always be questions. For anyone who doesnt accept that Life Sux, the practice will be without the heartwood. Suttas say that it is suffering which leads to the search and faith in Buddha-dhamma. This is not to say that everyone must start there, but they certainly must go past that point at some point.

The Buddha said that evevry moment that arises is Dukhha. Now that is not an opinion but a statement which arises from understanding deeply the true nature of phenomena. Everyone who sees it, agrees with it. Those who havent seen it through insight practice wont agree with it. It doesnt make those who have seen it sad, it makes them wise. It is also the first step in finding a way out of it.

Mental suffering falls away when a person becomes an arahanth (sopadisesa nibbana- nibbana with residue remaining)
Everything that is unsatisfactory falls away when the aggregates dissolve at death (anupadisesa nibbana- nibbana with no residue/'pari'- nibbana- full nibbana). The fact there is this distinction should be a clue that endless rounds of samsara without suffering is not an option in the buddhist path (which is what most buddhists actually want due to clinging)).

Without entirely letting go of samsara as unsatisfactory (not having aversion towards it, but simply dropping away from it as it is empty of anything worthwhile clinging to in a neutral mind state) there is no escape from the field of perception ('the world') into nibbana.

I'm not being a stick in the mud here.

There is great happiness in being able to access states of letting go of the world.
It is a drastic measure - but you will see that it is the only permanent option. This dhamma is for the wise ..and I might add, the strong.

Don't even try to explain it to others. It's tough enough doing it for buddhist practitioners.


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Re: Life Sux

Postby Guy » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:24 am

Well said RYB!
Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Life Sux

Postby phil » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:50 pm

Hi all

I find that over the last ten years the impulse to see life as beautiful or glorious or to celebrate life is waning, so maybe it could be said that while the Buddha didn't say "life sux", his teaching guides us past believing "life totally rocks man." I feel very grateful for a human birth in the time of the Buddha, and strive to fulfill it, but it seems less and less easy (thankfully) to feel intoxicated about life. There is often suspicion of pleasures, a kind of sitting back from them and thinking "yes, but..." So something very fundamental happens there, I think....

..and if we think in terms of the five daily recollections that we are encouraged to make, that we are not beyond ageing, illness and death, and that we will be separated from all we love, it certainly seems true that the Buddha did not celebrate life, though that might not go down with some modern Buddhists, especially in the West. And of course the recollections could lead to a "seize the day" kind of celebrating the moment of being alive etc, which I don't think the BUddha ever did.

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Phil

p.s I write children's stories that celebrate life, so I wear two hats. I wonder if that counts as lying...no. Celebrating life is a healthy stage to go through, emotionally....
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(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Postby phil » Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:57 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Alex123 » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:29 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Life Sux

Postby aot » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:10 pm

i would say life sucks but it would probably come out funny because i don't have my new false teeth.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Su Dongpo » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:33 pm

The conclusion to this thought goes some like this:

Things are bad (Life Sux),
And they're going to get worse --
Before they end.

That's me, not a quotation, but I think the sentiment is closer to that of Sartre than Buddha.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:35 pm

Aw hell.

I have distilled all my life's experience to a very simple, moronic attitude:

The world is indeed an awful, awful place. This cannot be denied.

But life is very, very good.

Thank you Buddha. :tongue:

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Re: Life Sux

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Kim OHara » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:24 am

That's more than enough misery for now, thanks everyone.

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