Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Grigoris » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:09 am

More projection. I am not encouraging people to take their lives, I am encouraging people to sign a petition against repressive measures so that people will stop taking their lives and being killed.

Get with the program!
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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Caz » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:32 am

a Pettion to get the chinese to stop repressive measures ? Surely Pettions only have effect on people who care about them. If governments are willing to mow people over in Tanks and crush grass roots demonstrations against harmful policies theres not going to be alot of chance they will be effected by a peice of paper.
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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby catmoon » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:57 pm

Governments, if they are wise, keep tabs on the ebb and flow of public opinion. For instance, if the Chinese were to see western public opinion moving strongly against them, at some point they would have to act in order to save international trade and diplomatic relations. The petition is in that sense additional pressure.
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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Thug4lyfe » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:50 pm

Westerners should probably sort their sheet out first. Occupy wall street and sort out EU before trying to commit to whats happening in Tibet. When ya own countries are crumbling down, how you gonna help those homeboys in Asia?

Not to mention most Chinese people still harbour the victim mentality from the sores of world war 2 and past European colonisation, so most of the protest in the West will be seen by Chinese people as attacking them. Since even most Tiawanese and Chinese from overseas sees Tibet as a part of China historically.

Although I wager most Chinese Buddhists will be sympathetic to the Tibetans, not to mention many are turning to Tibetan Buddhism as well. So in the end it's up to the Chinese people to save the Tibet. Not to by Western protestors.

And espeically not by people who encourage this self-immolation sheet!
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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Madeliaette » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:23 pm

I have already signed this - and other - petitions. I beleive that the more support for Tibetan freedom, the more pressure upon world govts to act rather than smile and nod and then smile and nod at the Chinese as well. It seems to currently be building up and some nations have made a stand against Chinese govt 'dictations'. I noted when the US president met HHDL despite the Chinese telling him not to, when the US withdrew financial aid to the Chinese poor and gave financial aid to Tibetan exiles.... I beleive Australia are also seriously looking into standing up against the Chinese since these recent events.... Whatever the future holds, as a practitioner of Tibetan Buddhism, I will continue to support Tibetan freedom. One other point - I think that signing petitions to support freedom for Tibet gives those in Tibet hope - they will learn that other people DO care and will keep on caring. This support those of us that sign give surely would therefore help Tibetans lessen the need to continue taking their own lives, rather than hinder it?

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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Caz » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:49 pm

Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.

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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Thug4lyfe » Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:59 pm

Actually, I got nothink to thay!!!

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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Rakz » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:16 am

Hopefully this doesn't turn into e-sangha where independent thought was not allowed. Kind of like communist china :jawdrop:

Anyways back on topic :offtopic:

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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Thug4lyfe » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:19 pm

People aren't ignorant in China. It's a country deeply rooted in the Dharma and history. Anyone who's been there will know that information can still be accessed quite easily. Do people still think Chinese people are communist aliens? They think no different to any body on this forum. Some are nationalists, some are conservatives, some are liberals, some do it for the lulz.

Are you all lay BUDDHISTS or just lay people in general? Because it seems to me that the Dharma is irrelevant to when it doesn't involve frivilous debate about metaphysics? As soon as someone opens a can of political sauce everyone throws away the Dharma and allows themselves to be controlled by ignorant instincts.
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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Thug4lyfe » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:51 pm

Isolating one'self and relying on others to protect you while all the homeboys gets ordained will only go so far.

Tibet was certainly very diplomatic when it comes to asking protection from the Chinese, Mongol, Indian, English, German empires in the past.
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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Dechen Norbu » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:33 am

Political mistakes were made, IMO. They should have joined the UN while it was time.

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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby gad rgyangs » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:54 am

Thoroughly tame your own mind.
This is (possibly) the teaching of Buddha.

"I must finally conclude that this proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind."
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Re: Avaaz - a petition against Chinese occupation of Tibet

Postby Thrasymachus » Fri May 04, 2012 1:50 am

How is signing a petition going to do anything? Every forumer on dharmawheel has likely spent thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars on products sourced or produced from China. Power in our society is expressed through money and military force, not online polls. The amount of power every dharmawheel forumer has given to China likely far dwarfs what they have given to the now minority of Tibetans in occupied Tibet. Thus, just imagine how little most people who couldn't care about buddhists or Tibet think and act on this issue, if even we act this way: "look we took 30 seconds to sign an insignificant poll."


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