Caz wrote: Ryoto wrote:
Caz wrote:a Pettion to get the chinese to stop repressive measures ? Surely Pettions only have effect on people who care about them. If governments are willing to mow people over in Tanks and crush grass roots demonstrations against harmful policies theres not going to be alot of chance they will be effected by a peice of paper.
lol exactly my thoughts. don't get me wrong though i am in full support of tibetan independence under the stipulation that a proper democracy be put in place rather than the feudal rule prior to the invasion.
Yes I agree I also support the peoples will to choose whom they are governed by. Being a realist though they only way I can see china changing their stance will be through gradual democratisation and liberalisations of their internal policies even so this could be fairly long process and with no result in Tibetan self governence at all so for now the best thing to hope for is that the Chinese government will steadily come to appreciate Indiginous Tibetan culture and its valuable religious heratage and be less iron fisted with their subjects this is something to campaign for it would actually be of far greater benefit to sentient beings and much more easy to accomplish then throwing an individuals weight behind a protest movement that a state superpower will continue to oppose. Fortunatly there are those I believe who are working within Tibet to benefit this cause several Lama's and If a Buddha's compassion is anything to compared to perhapes this Chinese selected Panchen Lama may be an emination after all what better way then to help people then be in a position where one is able to ?
Tibetans seemed to be very happy with what you call a feudal system, so happy that it's common knowledge their love and devotion for the present Dalai Lama. Plus, it is not as if the present Dalai Lama can be blamed for the old system. When it comes to politics things, as always, are far more complex than such simplistic idea that implicitly tries to cartoonize HHDL in such a negative way. Sometimes we need to be a little less ethnocentric and also to look at our own history of genocidal wars, occupations, tyrannies and so on. It took us time to reach democracy. It wasn't perfect in Tibet, for sure, but now the Communist repression is far worse.
Still, HHDL doesn't oppose to a democratic government and he said that several times already.
Of course there are those who want to see the Dalai Lama out of their way, who have the support of the Communist regime and work to undermine HH credibility by spreading lies and misinformation. Being supported by the regime, they can work from within, receive funding from the party and so on and so forth.
It will be great if indeed the Chinese government would start respecting and appreciating Tibetan culture but in its diversity and as a whole, not only a certain sub-part that considers some aspects of it less worthy. The problem is that many people who work from within and without to "help the Tibetan cause" are only pursuing their sectarianist objectives cloaking their actions with hypocrisy. This doesn't help the tibetans at all, but fills the coffers of these people.
The Chinese selected Panchen Lama is a political puppet and has no credibility beyond the said groups that try to work against HHDL. Going against HHDL is going against the Tibetan people, HH main concern.
It's a true shame that some people, from different quadrants and associations, go to the point of recognizing the legitimacy of a sockpuppuet of the PRC as being a reincarnate lama only to fulfill their agenda.