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The Bodhisattva Ideal in Theravada

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Sorry to barge in with a quote.. but I read this recently, and it knocks me out every time I'm drawn back to it


"Only an understanding which exposes the recursive structure of the appropriated, the appropriation, and the posited appropriator as an organic entity permeating the entirety of experience is adequate as a fundament upon which to base an investigation into the human situation - our own. Only thus can there be a comprehension of dependent arising, and thus of the futility of appropriation. Any effort which fails to see how the "eternal" appropriator is utterly dependent upon the impermanent appropriated is a futile effort. But an effort which strikes for the heart of the relationship has indeed the potential for perceiving the futility and can, by perceiving, end it."

S. Bodhesako

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well stripe me pink..

I'll just tiptoe backwards out of the room if you dont mind...life being short and all that.

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I think some people who fall for non-dualism, they think it means something different. If the true nature of things was non-duality, then how did Buddha manage to separate this into different aggregates, different phenomenas (whether they're illusory or not), different things in the dependent origination, four noble truths, etc?

In the non-duality... strictly speaking, things would have to be seamless, period. You would not find any division in between any of them, ever... either in the first place, or if you manage to achieve that state permanently. If you achieved this state temporarily, then why did things split into different things again?

The fact that there is a separateness in this world (either now, or from the so-called non-dual state) in the first place, whether it's an illusion or not, is enough proof that this world should be viewed as a duality, not non-duality.

If some people say that accepting this separateness would be a part of experiencing the non-duality (I feel like I'm throwing in a straw-man here), either as an illusion, or as something actual, then this is tautological. Why not still call these things separate, and then leave it at that, work from there for the liberation? Why put non-duality right on top of it, as a veneer of some kind, so to speak?

What purpose would that have? How would that help with the practice? I can only see this as yet another delusion. This is yet another (ironically, self-inflicted) separation from the reality as it is. It is the denial of things as they are in this world. This person is still not liberated, only more deluded.
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A Treatise on the Paramis by Acariya Dhammapala translated from the Pali by Bhikkhu Bodhi
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el409.html

Is Theravada Buddhism for Arahatship Only? by Ven. U Silananda
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha064.htm

Arahants, Buddhas, and Bodhisattvas Bhikkhu Bodhi
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha335.htm

Bodhisattva Ideal in BuddhismVen. Dr. W. Rahula
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha126.htm

THE BODHISATTVA IDEAL IN THERAVAADA
http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/jeffrey2.htm

The path of the Bodhisattva in Theravada Buddhism
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To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
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It only appears as semantic conundrums if you're unfamiliar with the experience. Anyway this is going nowhere and it's off-topic.

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