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Re: Buddhism on God

Postby Grigoris » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:57 pm

Dear mañjughoṣamaṇi,

I'm no expert on the historical development of Buddhist texts and theories (my reliance on wikipedia attests to that) but it strikes me as kind of naive to believe that the writers of the texts, given shared time/space (historical periods), would have developed the texts completely independent of each other. If you also take into account that the translations were made during a historical period where both sets of texts were in existence, well...

The fact is though, that both sets of texts are basically describing the same "phenomena" just from a different angle. I cannot see how they can be considered mutually exclusive. Though it's true that the actual Diamond Sutra text does not use the term Tathagatagarbha I would ask you: what is the Tathagatagarbha describing other than emptiness itself?
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Re: Buddhism on God

Postby Kunga Lhadzom » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:59 pm

I don't think Greg was saying that the Diamond Sutra made reference to the word Tathagatagarbha....he just used that word in reference to the Tathagatagarba...that's how I see it anyways....

The word Tathagata is used in the translation I have read....also in this translation Tathagata is used (close enough to the word Tathagatagarbha ? )

http://community.palouse.net/lotus/diamond6-10.htm


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Re: Buddhism on God

Postby mañjughoṣamaṇi » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:16 pm


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Re: Buddhism on God

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Re: Buddhism on God

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Re: Buddhism on God

Postby Malcolm » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:55 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Buddhism on God

Postby Grigoris » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:57 pm

Thank y'all kindly for this informaion!
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Re: Buddhism on God

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Re: Buddhism on God

Postby catmoon » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:37 am

Reading your post on Spinoza, I cannot help but be struck by the similarities between Spinoza and Mr Solway. I must now suppose that Spinoza was the Solway of his day.
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Re: Buddhism on God

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oh we're up to 38 now. is this a world record for most pages in a thread?

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Re: Buddhism on God

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nevermind that would go to the vegetarian debate

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Re: Buddhism on God

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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Original painting by P.Volker /used by permission.

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Re: Buddhism on God

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Re: Buddhism on God

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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