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Five Precepts in a modern world

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Five Precepts in a modern world

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Re: Five Precepts in a modern world

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 21, 2010 5:02 am

Greetings Pannapetar,

For the most part, I find such reworkings of the five precepts a bit unnecessary as I think the originals are already very clear as it is and no exegesis is required.

The only exception to that is the issue of copyright (which didn't exist back in the day) and how 'taking that which is not given' relates to matters of intellectual property. That issue been discussed here a few times before at Dhamma Wheel already.

It's worth noting that this list from certainly Thich Nath Hanh isn't a 1:1 relationship to the five precepts. Things like "ingest foods or other items that contain toxins, such as certain TV programs, magazines, books, films, and conversations" fit better with the precept about entertainments, which isn't part of the 5, but is part of the 8.

I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong in what Thich Nath Hanh is endorsing here... simply that it's not what the Buddha taught and that such adaptation is not necessary.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Five Precepts in a modern world

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Re: Five Precepts in a modern world

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Re: Five Precepts in a modern world

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 21, 2010 8:46 am

Greetings Pannepetar,

If someone develops an eisegesis along the lines of what you suggest, some people will go on to lock it in stone as "this is how it should be - this is how it is", regardless of the fact that it was not spoken by the Buddha and that it is merely one person's interpretation of what the Buddha said, what the Buddha meant and what he might have thought had he existed in the 21st century. Once it becomes established as such, it starts denying the right of other people to find out what he said for themselves before that additional filter was superimposed over the top.

Sure, you can act how you like personally, in accord with whatever morality you like. You can even extrapolate beyond the Dhamma for your own personal use, but we really do not need any more eisegesis, we certainly do not need Thich Nath Hanh to replace the five precepts, and we do not need to smuggle our personal preferences and worldly agendas into the Dhamma.

'The Blessed One is an Arahant, the Fully Enlightened One, perfect in knowledge and conduct, the Happy One, the knower of the world, the paramount trainer of beings, the teacher of gods and men, the Enlightened One, the Blessed One.'

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Five Precepts in a modern world

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri May 21, 2010 8:49 am

Nothing essential has changed..human nature has not changed in a brief 2500 years. Sentient life is still known by the Three Signs of Being. The Four Noble Truths are still relevant , The Eightfold Noble Path is still the only way to end suffering.
The precepts are still as germane as ever.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Five Precepts in a modern world

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 21, 2010 9:10 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Five Precepts in a modern world

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri May 21, 2010 9:27 am

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: Five Precepts in a modern world

Postby Ben » Fri May 21, 2010 10:50 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
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but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Five Precepts in a modern world

Postby bodom » Fri May 21, 2010 2:21 pm

The Five Precepts and the Five Enoblers by Prince Vajirananavarorasa is a modern day "exegesis" on the Five Precepts. Bhikkhu Bodhi often cites this book extensively in some of his other works. Good luck finding a copy though.

Also see Bhikkhu Bodhi's Going for Refuge & Taking the Precepts
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el282.html

Buddhist Ethics by Hammalawa Saddhatissa is also a classic.
http://www.wisdompubs.org/pages/display ... n=&image=1

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To practice is to know your defilements,
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