Amida's function in Jodo Shinshu

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Re: Amida's function in Jodo Shinshu

Postby rory » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:33 am

Ryoto;
I had a wonderful teacher a Jodo Shu monk, Rev. Jo-An Myers, he was just so kind & compassionate, really he was such a bodhisattva. And everything I learned, to be straighforward and non-intellectualizing, to have faith in Amida, that he's real and there is a real Western Pure Land. And everything he taught came true. So you can see why I'm such a devotee.
and every single word of his advice you can read in "The Promise of Amida Buddha: Honen's Path to Bliss"
so I hope this is helpful
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Chih-I:
The Tai-ching states "the women in the realms of Mara, Sakra and Brahma all neither abandoned ( their old) bodies nor received (new) bodies. They all received buddhahood with their current bodies (genshin)" Thus these verses state that the dharma nature is like a great ocean. No right or wrong is preached (within it) Ordinary people and sages are equal, without superiority or inferiority
Paul, Groner "The Lotus Sutra in Japanese Culture"eds. Tanabe p. 58
https://www.tendai-usa.org/

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Re: Amida's function in Jodo Shinshu

Postby Rakz » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:11 am

Thank you rory for that recommendation. I already have "Honen the Buddhist saint" which was a great read.

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Postby sinweiy » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:43 pm

(22) If, when I attain Buddhahood, bodhisattvas in the Buddha-lands of other directions who visit my land should not ultimately and unfailingly reach the Stage of Becoming a Buddha after One More Life, may I not attain perfect Enlightenment. Excepted are those who wish to teach and guide sentient beings in accordance with their original vows. For they wear the armour of great vows, accumulate merits, deliver all beings from birth-and-death, visit Buddha-lands to perform the bodhisattva practices, make offerings to Buddhas, Tathagatas, throughout the ten directions, enlighten uncountable sentient beings as numerous as the sands of the River Ganges, and establish them in the highest, perfect Enlightenment. Such bodhisattvas transcend the course of practice of the ordinary bodhisattva stages and actually cultivate the virtues of Samantabhadra.

(26) If, when I attain Buddhahood, there should be any bodhisattva in my land not endowed with the body of the Vajra-god Narayana, may I not attain perfect Enlightenment.
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Re: Amida's function in Jodo Shinshu

Postby rory » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:14 pm

Tatsuo:
Tendai had many pure lands: but today I don't think most believe in an objective pure land in the West. Rather it's a purify your mind sort of thing. You can find a similar understanding of the Pure Land with Shinshu followers: this world is no other than the Western Pure Land. It's a metaphor, meaning if we purity our minds this world will be purified and the pure land. Similarly to most Shinshu followers Amida is a metaphor for Compassion as well, rather than an objective sambhogakaya buddha.

I hope i have explained things more clearly. Additionally Jodo Shu is more traditional in expecting the practitioner to make an effort and fine with other practices: worshipping Jizo, Kannon, meditation, mantra etc if they contribute to an ongoing nembutsu practice.
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Chih-I:
The Tai-ching states "the women in the realms of Mara, Sakra and Brahma all neither abandoned ( their old) bodies nor received (new) bodies. They all received buddhahood with their current bodies (genshin)" Thus these verses state that the dharma nature is like a great ocean. No right or wrong is preached (within it) Ordinary people and sages are equal, without superiority or inferiority
Paul, Groner "The Lotus Sutra in Japanese Culture"eds. Tanabe p. 58
https://www.tendai-usa.org/

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Re: Amida's function in Jodo Shinshu

Postby Rakz » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:14 am

It's pretty sad to see most shinshu followers in the west see it more as a "mental health program" than an actual path leading out of samsara permanently.

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Postby sinweiy » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:40 am

"Pure-Land Zen Zen Pure-Land", it's a very good book. It compose of letters from Master Yin Guang. The letters were original in Chinese and translated into English. Here is one of the letter:

Are the Mind-only Pure Land and the Self-nature Amitabha the same as or different from the Western Pure Land and Amitabha in the Pure Land ?

It is because the Mind-only Pure Land exists that we are reborn in the Pure Land of the West. If the mind is not pure, it is impossible to achieve rebirth in the Pure Land. Even when those who have committed cardinal transgressions achieve rebirth through ten recitations, such rebirth is due to their reciting the Buddha’s name with a pure mind, thus eliciting a response from Amitabha Buddha. Ordinary people generally think that if the Pure Land is Mind-Only, then it does not exist. This is the understanding of demons and externalists. Such a deluded view, which appears correct but is in reality wrong, affects more than half of all people and causes practitioners to forfeit true benefits.

It is precisely because of the Self-Nature Amitabha that the practitioner must recite the name of Buddha Amitabha of the West seeking rebirth in the Pure Land - so as to achieve the Self-Nature Amitabha through gradual cultivation. If he merely grasps at the Self-Nature Amitabha but does not recite the name of Buddha Amitabha of the West, he cannot achieve immediate escape from Birth and death - not even if he is truly awakened, much less if (like most people who ask this question) he is pretentious and just indulges in empty talk without engaging in practice.

Thus the answer to your question [are the mind-Only Pure Land and the Self-Nature Amitabha the same as or different from the Western Pure Land and Amitabha in the Pure Land?] is that they are one yet two before Buddhahood is attained, two yet one after Buddhahood is attained.

The Teaching of Great Master Yin Guang (13th chinese Pureland patriarch).
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Postby sinweiy » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:52 am

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