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Contact, Suffering, Cessation Qs?

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Re: Contact, Suffering, Cessation Qs?

Postby Dmytro » Tue May 18, 2010 2:46 pm

Hi Peter,

I respect your opionion and your teachers.
What I emphasized is the necessity to deal directly with craving, as recommended by the Buddha.

May you find success in your practice!

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Postby PeterB » Tue May 18, 2010 3:04 pm

:anjali:

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Postby retrofuturist » Tue May 18, 2010 10:44 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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"To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas" - Dhammapada 183

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Postby christopher::: » Wed May 19, 2010 1:12 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Contact, Suffering, Cessation Qs?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed May 19, 2010 8:55 am

Greetings Mike,

In the interests of clarifying my use of terminology.

Any existing teaching which was not specifically classified by the Buddha as Dhammavinaya had to have been created or spoken by someone for it to come into existence.

By teaching from outside the established Dhammavinaya and the Four Great References, yet at the same time springboarding from it and claiming allegiance to Buddhism and refuge to the Buddha, lineages established themselves apart from Dhammavinaya as sects. The sum of Dhammavinaya and all sects constitutes Buddhism.

Since there is no Buddhist lineage which adheres solely to the Buddha's Dhammavinaya and the Four Great Reference - they are all by definition sectarian, thus sects.... and that includes Theravada too. (Relative) orthodoxy or majority rule doesn't grant immunity from being a sect, nor does being the one to have deviated the least distance. A sect cannot become unsectarian unless it removes its sectarian additions and returns to a pre-sectarian state (i.e. Dhammavinaya).

As to value judgement on sects, that is for the individual to decide for themselves in accord with their own reason. I do not believe terms like "Early Buddhist Sects" are inherently value laden.

Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby retrofuturist » Wed May 19, 2010 10:30 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Contact, Suffering, Cessation Qs?

Postby ReadyFeet » Thu May 20, 2010 7:11 am

So, If I may ask....

If one lives a life where one reads lots of Dhamma books and tries hard to meditate but still engages in social activity with friends, works and plays lota of sports etc is it possible for me to achieve any of the benefits of the Dhamma's if I am essentially "flooded with contact and suffering" all the time. I like to think that as my compassion and understanding for all those around me deepens so does my spiritual maturity. Any suggestions. Thanks.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 20, 2010 11:25 am

:anjali:

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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