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Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

Postby bodom » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:30 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

Postby dumb bonbu » Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:25 pm

i think any Mahayana tradition stands to learn a great deal from the Path of the Elders, that's why i'm here. i'll confess i don't know a great deal about Zen...other than having read Suzuki's The Zen Doctrine of No Mind when i was much younger (probably too young to pick up on a great deal of it if i'm being honest) but from the little i do know of it i can understand why often there might be a lot of...erm..interfaith dialogue (is that an appropriate phrase to use?) between the two. especially the Thai Forest tradition. the reason i became interested in the Path of the Elders is in the hope and belief that it will enrichen and strengthen not only my understanding of the path i practice but also my understanding of Dhamma full stop.

incidentally Ben, if you are struck by the poetic expression of Zen, i would highly recommend The Narrow Road to the Deep North by Bassho!
Monks, even if bandits were to carve you up savagely, limb by limb, with a two-handled saw, he among you who let his heart get angered even at that would not be doing my bidding.

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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

Postby christopher::: » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:35 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

Postby genkaku » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:32 pm

Christopher -- Funny, but somehow I thought the torrent of tears might have erupted among the brothers who knew right from wrong.

Wrong again, I guess. :)
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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:20 am

Hi Individual,

Many of the things you list appear to me to be characteristics of particular Zen or "Zen-ish" practitioners and not representative of the ideals of the tradition.

You could probably make a similar list regarding Theravada (lavish Wats, monks peddling amulets, lazy monks, lay people who just turn up for a quick blessing, ...), which would completely misrepresent what most would agree was "real Theravada".

Does either list "prove" anything?

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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

Postby bodom » Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:48 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Theravada and Zen - a comparative analysis

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:18 pm

It is entirely possible to embrace and love your tradition without having to attack other sects as false. Hopefully the more firmly grounded one becomes in his/her own practice, the less interest s/he has in taking issue with other people's stuff.

It's my opinion that sect-bashing arises out of emotional need or a lack of basic understanding about other sects. It's embarrassing when Buddhists do this to one another. It's not in the spirit of dharma. And please don't give me any double-talk about how the Buddha made fun of wrong views, so we can/should do it too. That's just conceit.

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