Sabbe sankhara dukkha - how to observe this Dhamma?

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Re: Sabbe sankhara dukkha - how to observe this Dhamma?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 06, 2010 3:32 am

Greetings Mike,

Really?

Oh well... I'm sure pt1 knows why I'm asking.

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Re: Sabbe sankhara dukkha - how to observe this Dhamma?

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Re: Sabbe sankhara dukkha - how to observe this Dhamma?

Postby Virgo » Thu May 06, 2010 3:46 am

Now the conversation is going somewhere... we are getting very minute, very detailed, very exact, very precise... he he he. We are going past concepts all the way to the dhamma that is arising right now. That is all that exists and it is anicca, anatta, and dukkha! As soon as it passes it is gone, just a memory, just a concept. It no longer exists as soon as the mind process starts to label it and it turn it into some object, some thing we recognize, some whole part. It no longer exists then. It is history, no longer real, no longer there. Just a shadow of it, a concept, exists. We are always caught up in conceptual proliferation. The concepts hide the characteristics of the realities that appear. They are too fast to control, they are anatta. Hopefully we will develop the wisdom -- we won't be caught up in past or in future, in trying to see or know, it thinking but just see the dhamma that is now, like really, really now-- the impermanent, anatta, and dukkha one.

Look at how much the proliferation creates!

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Re: Sabbe sankhara dukkha - how to observe this Dhamma?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 06, 2010 3:50 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Sabbe sankhara dukkha - how to observe this Dhamma?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 06, 2010 5:18 am

Greetings Virgo,

In relation then to my post which you quoted above, do you see the relationship between dhammas as temporal (as measured in time) or structural (as measured relative to the preceding dhamma)?

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Sabbe sankhara dukkha - how to observe this Dhamma?

Postby Kenshou » Thu May 06, 2010 5:19 am

Forgive me if this is beyond the scope of the thread, but,

Regardless of the reality or lack thereof concerning concepts, are concepts not still subject to the 3 characteristics and therefore a potential object of insight? Isn't subjective experience, including concepts or not, what's important?

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Re: Sabbe sankhara dukkha - how to observe this Dhamma?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 06, 2010 5:28 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Sabbe sankhara dukkha - how to observe this Dhamma?

Postby Kenshou » Thu May 06, 2010 5:37 am

Alright then, thanks, makes enough sense to me.

Sometimes the undertones of "buddhist platonism" gunk me up where there wasn't gunk before, is all.

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