I have heard many times peoples talk of such things as combining virtueous practice with spiritual attainments in lofty terms as if only them and a select few could understand and partake of such things.
I have not a shred of attainment nor spiritual practice but my meditational endeavors are with more success than they were when I entered into this life.
And I am a bit more compassionsate, so I have suceeded in this life in every respect to my view.
Not so lofty nor complex nor needing of great great opinions...
Karmically I fell into a perfessional field of helping, that was a karmically driven thing of fate driven by past spiritual aim.
Consciously I then spent when my time doing that thing was done five years or so doing volunteer work which I still to a very limited extent do.
The reason in the main....it provided benefit of a limited sort to other but really more importantly....doing good works provides the karmic basis of effect from which we may have success at meditational pursuit.
So what is so complicated about that..do ,that happens.
Expecting we can draw from past lives experience karmically, and extend beyond, with the spiritual, beyond what we were, where we were...I say that in the main is quite mistaken. Spiritual understanding in large derives from compassion and compassionate effect, as the thing we are... understanding cognicizing thing, is such a thing... understanding and cognicizing....exactly compassion. So one leads to the other. Knowing in other form expressed, is compassion..exactly different sides to the same coin.
You equal your past highest achievments that is all...what use is that? If you do not endeavor in this life compassionate intent, action, and effect.
YOu don't have to be perfect..... a Dali Lama or a Mother Theresa, but you must accumulate to advance. It is that simple.
The tales of those in India years ago, the 52 or so who achieved enlightenment, they were not mother theresas, or dali lama's, some, but not many...they achieved being also not perfect.
But to advance we must accumulate compassionate thing..otherwise we do not really, usually advance.
This is most probably, to my opinion, a exercise in makeing ourselves understand we are worthy of enlightenment, as all hate themselves, but that is really aside, and of no matter..it must be done.
Just compassion, no meditation, a mother theresa...sorry no. She was the dullest of persons. Heaven for her...... full enlightenment...no sorry no. Many lives down the road.... entire compassion is not it as well....a cow is entirely compassionate giveing its milk to all its life itself its meat so all may eat, even its offspring so others may eat them...cows do not become enlightened.
Perhaps my response is not what you want...I don't know. No response so I offer one.
I am no buddhist expert, nor taoist expert, nor expert in any thing, but watching this thing of mind which is my profession.
I suspect the religions, these differ. Tools of different sorts within each. That each has tools, does not imply each tool is the same, nor will accomplish the same result, as hoe does not work as spade. Tell me not these tools are the same and equal....they are not I know them not. Useful tools all but for differing purpose.
So tool of buddhism found within somewhere....that only will provide total enlightenment.
All the talk of equality, true to a point....not true after that point.
The tools found in certain select places in buddhism, only they will provide final release, and perhap then, a change in everything.
They are not common however, kept most secret, and hard to find.
Guarded by ignorant trolls whose aim is to eat. Demons..they will not sleep.
But we may disregard their presence, and with stealth and preserverance find these things...they cannot squash out the teachings..they are as water under feet trying to be squashed.
If being obstructed from by thing such as demon troll, as such they well up from life itself, and are found in many many many things, and places.
Everywhere are the teachings. The trolls think, only here or there, those places, they guard quite completely.
To be certain...I express only my own view and speak for no one here nor there.
Take your tools of taoists, and others mentioned...I have no use of them. I have used them, found effect at what was necessary to be done, but are now done with them. This row requires these hidden tools found in buddhism. If not found in buddhism, found in life, mind, and thought, itself. When done with that, I will be done with that, as well. Mind, I have it: it is my tool, not guarded nor taken from me, it may be.
Fully enlightened then I be, when these particular tools I find no use for.
Taoism, other things considered as equal...tell it to these others...they perhaps some maybe all ,think that so...I know that no.
They will not release...you will find that so, or not, it matters not.
Death takes them all...even the immortal. Many tools of the same structure are found in both but tools to hoe this row...only in Buddhism.
And to be absolutely clear and certain...I am no friend to you, dharma friend or otherwise..... mind, circumstance, life, birth, death, we are equal and the same....no friend to you for I am you. Not a shred nor hair of difference between us. I perceive you I perceive myself. You perceive me you perceive yourself.
Tell tales of friending befriending and friendship to those here....I am not and cannot be any of those things. No more than I can befriend myself, may I befriend you, or any other.
So don't pay attention to this post or have moderator delete, if intention of friendship is this thread, and thusly off point is my comment....I have none to offer, this thing of friendship, dharma, or otherwise.
Comment though I offer..perhaps of use to you, perhaps not. It is offered as there are no responses.
Perhaps now there is comment...others will offer comment and some, or all, may be more to your likeing and point.
Or perhaps you find this one comment it does suffice.
As this has been posted in the exploring buddhism section, not the introductory, or help, or personal or other sections...I have responded, thusly, in this context.
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"This order considers that progress can be achieved more rapidly during a single month of self-transformation through terrifying conditions in rough terrain and in "the abode of harmful forces" than through meditating for a period of three years in towns and monasteries"....Takpo Tashi Namgyal.