deepbluehum wrote:Actually in the Kalama Sutta the Buddha skillfully instills the faculty of faith in the Kalamas. A correct reading this text bears out that you can test karma and phala by acting with loving-kindness and compassion to discern whether these mental states overcome the three poisons. Then, by taking the four immeasurables as the path one has developed the five faculties and is properly within the scope of the eightfold path.
So, when Buddha tells us not to put faith in scriptures, teachers, and axioms, you interpret it as a teaching to practice faith? I think you have stood the sutra on it's head and completely reversed it's meaning. And I'm not alone...
"Friend Savittha, apart from faith, apart from liking, apart from what has been acquired by repeated hearing, apart from specious reasoning, and from a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over, I know this, I see this: 'Decay and death are due to birth.'"
Samyuttanikaya, Nidanavagga, Mahavagga, Sutta No. 8
"Here a bhikkhu, having seen an object with the eye, knows when greed, hate, and delusion are within, 'Greed, hate, and delusion are in me'; he knows when greed, hate, and delusion are not within, 'Greed, hate, and delusion are not in me.' Bhikkhus, have these things to be experienced through faith, liking, what has been acquired by repeated hearing, specious reasoning, or a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over?" — "No, venerable sir." — "Bhikkhus, this even is the way by which a bhikkhu, apart from faith, liking, what has been acquired by repeated hearing, specious reasoning, or a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over, declares realization of knowledge thus: I know that birth has been exhausted, the celibate life has been lived, what must be done has been done and there is no more of this to come."
Samyuttanikaya, Salyatanavagga, Navapuranavagga, Sutta No. 8
The instruction of the Kalamas (Kalama Sutta) is justly famous for its encouragement of free inquiry; the spirit of the sutta signifies a teaching that is exempt from fanaticism, bigotry, dogmatism, and intolerance.
All quotes "Kalama Sutta: The Buddha's Charter of Free Inquiry", translated from the Pali by Soma Thera. Access to Insight, 7 June 2010, Retrieved on 24 October 2011.
The Kalama Sutta, which sets forth the principles that should be followed by a seeker of truth, and which contains a standard things are judged by, belongs to a framework of the Dhamma; the four solaces taught in the sutta point out the extent to which the Buddha permits suspense of judgment in matters beyond normal cognition. The solaces show that the reason for a virtuous life does not necessarily depend on belief in rebirth or retribution, but on mental well-being acquired through the overcoming of greed, hate, and delusion.