"Vasettha, all of you, through of different birth, name, clan and family, who have gone forth from the household life into homelessness, if you are asked who you are, should reply: 'We are ascetics, followers of the Sakyan.' He whose faith in the Tathagata is settled, rooted, established, solid, unshakeable by any ascetic or Brahmin, any deva or mara or Brahma or anyone in the world, can truly say: 'I am a true son of Blessed Lord, born of his mouth, born of Dhamma, created by Dhamma, an heir of Dhamma.' Why is that? Because, Vasettha, this designates the Tathagata: 'The body of Dhamma', that is, 'The body of Brahma', or 'Become Dhamma', that is, 'Become Brahma'.
sangyey wrote:I was thinking about that to. I used to have a pamphlet from the local Thai Temple and on the front of it they had all these various stages. I remember the top picture as being something like Dhammakaya (not exactly sure) and the other stages like Sottapan below it. If you haven't eliminated the cognitive obscuration would it still be considered Dharmakaya?
sangyey wrote:Any references in the Sutras?
sangyey wrote:Perhaps it's the five wisdoms that are spoken of only in Vajrayana?
sangyey wrote:and practice Shamatha/Vipassana by using a crystal ball as the object and bases of the mind.
sangyey wrote:Jnana, I am curios what wisdom was not present in the initial teachings on the four wisdoms that was later added making five?
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