Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

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Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Epistemes » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:07 pm

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Tilopa » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:06 pm

Tibetans love fairy tales and Lamas often give their own - sometimes different - interpretations. Don't believe everything you read and not everything written is meant to be taken as literally true.
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Virgo » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:10 pm

Things like this are just meant to represent that Padmasambhava was "crazy" and fearless. Unless you are fearless, it's hard to let go of grasping in a Dzogchen sense. "Conceptualization falls apart with the abandon of a madman..." and so forth. But it's not about being aggressive.

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Thug4lyfe » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:16 am

Well, we have enough crazy people in the 21st century telling people how to live without having Buddhism getting mixed up in it!

Say no to Bill Hicks etc!
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Kelwin » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:33 am

Even though Buddhists are generally honest people, life stories of the masters are not to be believed literally. Well, not all of it anyway. Even though Guru Rinpoche was obviously an historical person, many of the more extreme stories about him developed over time.

If you're interested, you can read Ngawang Zangpo's "Guru Rinpoche" : . It compares 4 life stories, and shows development through time.

Something similar happened to Milarepa by the way. You can read about this in Peter Allen Robert's "Biographies of Rechunpa" :
(Rechunpa was main lineage holder, not Gampopa. And Milarepa never killed all those family members. Oh and he didn't build those multiple towers either)

For me it was a bit shocking when I first found out about these blatant changes in history. However, it actually increased my faith, because the parts of the stories that always seemed unlikely to me, were indeed proven to be made up afterwards.
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Postby maybay » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:52 am

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Malcolm » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:05 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Malcolm » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:06 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Caz » Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:31 am

Crazy wisdom doesnt look good for practising Buddhists, Its especially not appropriate today you've got to demonstrate some morale discipline as a means to accomplishing the path in such a degenerate age. When people have a mind of faith they receive benefit because they do not see the person or object as faulty but there is so little faith today and very little correct practice of Guru devotion.
Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Karma Dorje » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:35 pm

"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Thug4lyfe » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:28 pm

I guess it comes back to impermanence. Practice in an isolated place like Tibet where every aspect of life involves religion might not suit an urban setting like our modern culture.

One of my teacher said that the Tibetan techniques wouldn't suit us in the city because it requires one already being very simple and pure.
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Postby Paul » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:40 pm

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Heruka » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:17 am

btw, saying guru rinpoche is like saying "the man" did it......well which "man" did it? what aspect of this multifaceted folklore story did a "guru rinpoche" commit such a crime?

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby heart » Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:05 am

When I met my teacher in 1984 and took refuge I asked what books I should read and he said without a moment of hesitation "Cutting through Spiritual Materialism". When I finally got hold of it many months later it was like a revelation. Any doubts about becoming "religious" was completely dispelled and the heart of the Buddhas teachings was rising like a great golden sun in my mind. It changed my life. A classic book, equally valid today. If you don't get it now, you will in the future. Trungpa Rinpoche was a great master.

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Caz » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:37 am

Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.

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Re: Trungpa Rinpoche's "Crazy Wisdom": Padmasambhava's Crime

Postby Caz » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:40 am

Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.

Liberation in the Palm of your hand~Kyabje Pabongkha Rinpoche.

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